We don't need to debate why some women come forward immediately (after some unacceptable behavior) and some don't. That's their decision and it isn't our business to weigh in on it.

However - when they come forward against a political figure years/decades later it's almost always because they were willing to keep silent when they were the only ones impacted and they believed that the price of coming forward would be greater than that of keeping silent. They then come forward because they judge that calculus to have shifted. That is... that they now need to protect the public from this man becoming governor/President/SCOTUS justice/etc. If the individual is running for public office, of course they support someone else. Who does Coons believe would be a credible witness? Someone who doesn't vote?

Of course... the insinuation is far from acceptable. "She said this because she supports 'X'" is really intended to mean "she's lying".

Not many Democratic politicians survive for long with that type of character assassination of women.

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Tom Rinaldo

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12. Good points, well stated n/t

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:10 AM

Apr 2019

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sfwriter

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14. Yes. The attacks on women in general

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:31 AM

Apr 2019

Have been horrifying to read around this. There is a sense, among some, of moral outrage at granting women authority over their own bodies. “What is the world coming to that hugs are out?” and the I endured it so you should too varsity of feminist position “I’ve been uncomfortable and sucked it up. What’s wrong with kids today?”

I think women today would rather not have to suck it up at all.

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BlueFlorida

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20. Motives are important nt

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

Apr 2019

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totodeinhere

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26. Yea, that's politics for ya. n/t

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 04:28 PM

Apr 2019

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Kurt V.

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28. thanks for that. 👍

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Apr 2019

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LongtimeAZDem

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15. Lucy Flores was almost completely unkown before she accused Biden

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Demsrule86

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24. Now she can sell merch. I think she will discover the difference between

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:26 PM

Apr 2019

famous and infamous, who will trust her?

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dsc

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29. She was the party nominee for Lt Gov of Nevada

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 06:33 PM

Apr 2019

on what planet is that almost completely unknown.

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LongtimeAZDem

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30. On what planet is "party nominee for Lt Gov of Nevada" almost completely unknown? All of them.

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 06:37 PM

Apr 2019

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sfwriter

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13. Lol

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

Apr 2019

And when liberal comics took a swipe at this behavior in 2015, it was because they one day expected to support other candidates?

This is a known factor for Biden. I’m not sure it is disqualifying, but hardly a surprise requiring conspiracy.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/yfmksi/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-audacity-of-grope

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BlueFlorida

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21. Biden's behavior was never accused to be heinous

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:52 AM

Apr 2019

it was ridiculed as silly, quirky, eccentric etc.

The dynamics change when it is put in a false context of #metoo which is about far more serious things.

Thus, motives become important.

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sfwriter

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32. Yeah, you should go back and see how creepy they portrayed him in 2015

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:06 PM

Apr 2019

The Audacity of Grope
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/yfmksi/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-audacity-of-grope

Smantha Bee is not a fan of Biden's

Samantha Bee is more accepting of his apology now:

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dogman

(6,073 posts)

16. Yes. that's it, those women!

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

Apr 2019

Who do they think they are? Just stir the pot. Don't consider the other candidates might be your VP pick. Is he part of the circular firing squad?

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Loki Liesmith

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19. Won't matter lol

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MineralMan

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22. That story is over, already.

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 02:18 PM

Apr 2019

The finger of the media having writ, moves on. It's a new week. This week, it's Bernie's "open borders" and Beto's "Netanyahu attack." Keep up, why dontcha?

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)

27. here another view - sen. bennet

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 04:48 PM

Apr 2019

"I don't think anyone should make jokes about it," the Colorado senator told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "This is an important time in our country's history when women are coming forward and able to say when they've been made to feel uncomfortable, whether in a sexual way or a nonsexual way. People's voices should be heard on that."

i realize he's going to run for pres in 2020

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Gothmog

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31. PoliticusUSA @politicususa Early State Democrats Stand With Biden As Touching Scandal Falls Flat

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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:51 PM

Apr 2019

Link to tweet

Progressives and advisers to Bernie Sanders hoped that they could keep Biden out of the race with a scandal that centers around personal space. The scandal though never really dominated the news like they hoped it or accelerated enough to damage the former vice president’s potential candidacy. Biden is still leading in the way too early polling, and he has seen no erosion in his support since the touching scandal started.

The challenge that any Democratic candidate faces is that Joe Biden has deep roots and a huge national organization of party officials. Biden is beloved by the party rank and file, and it is going to take more than what his political adversaries tried to turn into a scandal to stop his candidacy.

After seeing the behavior of porn star paying off, Access Hollywood tape accused sexual assaulter Trump, Joe Biden’s behavior doesn’t rise to the level of disqualifying in the minds of many Democrats.

Democratic voters may choose a different nominee, but Joe Biden is showing why he is going to be hard to beat in 2020.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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