How about a Sanders/Turner Ticket?

[MineralMan]

I mean, why not. Nina Turner is young, a woman, and a person of color, right? Senator Sanders trusts her, too, and they agree on policy issues, I believe.

We've not heard much about a potential VP pick by Sanders, but maybe we should discuss who he might select. Nina Turner has all of the desirable characteristics for a 2020 VP nominee, right?

{/tic}

[beachbumbob]

1. I thought you meant Tina Turner, than sanders could be rolling down the river

[MontanaMama]

5. I would support

Tina before Nina!

[MineralMan]

7. I don't think Tina Turner is young enough, really.

I love her, but she wouldn't be ideal.

Nina Turner, however, is a perfect match for Bernie Sanders, and they already have a relationship of long standing. I'll ignore the fact that she voted for Jill Stein, because that's inconvenient.

[zackymilly]

92. Tina is no longer an American citizen. She relinquished it in 2013 in Switzerland. nt

[MineralMan]

95. Well, she's right out, then.

[Kurt V.]

8. ..

[True Blue American]

11. No,she means

Nina Turner, the Democrat who lost as a Representative in Ohio,, tried to make it on CNN, latched on to Bernie, then voted for Jill Stein, latched on to Bernie again.

No, thanks.

[George II]

54. Yes, and he meant Symone, too!

[HarlanPepper]

2. He won't be able to get any A listers

I think it’ll be someone like Turner or Zephyr Teachout.

[Tweedy]

25. Nonsense

Should Senator Sanders secure our nomination he will be able to recruit a listers.

We are not the GOP 🤡 🚗.

We are the Democratic Party. Most democrats look for how they can help. Obstruction is not our game. That futile, country destabilizing game, is Moscow Mitch's (& Newt Gingrich's) dubious invention.

[HarlanPepper]

40. No, he won't.

Nobody would want to jump on a campaign that’s going to get rolled. Also, Bernie’s ego requires someone to be of no threat to him down the road or upstage him in any way. It’ll be a C list type. No doubt about it.

[Tweedy]

61. Disagree

Democrats don't sulk. That is our current president's schtick.

Democrats want to beat the unindicted co-conspirator in office right now. We want to perfect our union. No democrat is going to sit on the sidelines sulking should Senator Sanders earn our nomination.

Senator Sanders is not my first, second or third choice. He can be bombastic and insulting. Simultaneously, he is always Bernie and you can trust his heart is in the right place (on our side). He has spent decades in consistency.

It will be difficult for him to form alliances to get things done. Yet, if we retake the Senate (which there is a good chance we will), a democratic majority will immediately start working on issues of importance to all of us. So far as I can tell, there is nothing wrong with Bernie's signing hand.

Keep your eyes on the prize.

We cannot afford four more years of his incompetence-in-chief and all of his incompetent minions. The damage already done is pervasive.

Support your preferred candidate. No matter what the pundits say, this thing is not even close to finished. Use your wisdom and common sense (not polls, or pocketbooks) to choose whom you believe is the best candidate.

But please don't do the GOP's job for them. The only hope that bankrupt Party has now is that we sulk, splinter and leave them in power by default. That path will destroy America as we now know her for years to come.

We hang together and we can fix this mess. Not only that, we can build a foundation that will hold for decades, as FDR did. The GOP's enabling of criminality has given us this chance. Let us not blow it. Lives and futures are at stake.

E pluribus unum

[Hortensis]

93. Agree and agree. Only a C-lister could see being used

by Repubs-Russia to defeat Democrats as a plus to his career.

And Sanders never has accepted strong people who would challenge or compete with him. Heck, he even strikingly refused to help elect candidates who promised to carry his ideological banner forward in city and state government after he went to DC. (!) Those who would possibly seem smarter or more experienced/competent have to suspect they'd end up exiled (possibly "early up" ).

[Tweedy]

137. Still disagree

Some senators might refuse because they believe in the Senate they can do more good. Otherwise, democrats don't take their toys and go home. Senator Sanders will have no problem securing a quality VP pick.

I do agree the Senator from Vermont can be a curmudgeon, so focused on what he sees as right, that he ignores what is happening around him. He needs to remove insults to the "democratic establishment" from his repertoire.

I know he has refused to back candidates. Breakfast with Bernie was long a welcome show in my home. It is hard to miss that impractical streak. Yet, it is also clear Bernie cares about helping us, not those who want to turn the clock back to the days of indentured servitude.

The Senator did not demagogue Dodd Frank when the country needed reassurance and that is far superior to the attitude taken (ignorantly?) by many out of power political types.

As for Putin-- because it is Putin acting here, not the Russian people-- he wants the unindicted co-conspirator we already have in office.

Most of all, Putin wants American chaos. Why? Because only with American chaos can Putin and his band of cut throat emotionally stunted thieves, substantially rob the biggest prize of all, the United States of America.

Putin is pushing Bernie now. If it starts to look like Senator Sanders is uniting the party, Putin and his new mouthpiece Fox News, will begin pushing someone else.

Putin was once East German KGB. The Soviets believed the right pressure on the right places and they could turn our country into a failed state, complete with us out on the streets shooting at one another. When the fighting was finished, the Soviet "political scientists" predicted several states would emerge, easy pickings for them. I wish I kept copies of that Soviet gibberish from school. When the wall fell, I jubilantly threw it all away, laughing at how silly I was to seriously study a regime that died before I was thirty.

Have no doubt about it: The Soviet Union and Putin's Russia are the same entity. Putin simply dropped the ideology clothing and the corruption goes naked these days.

None of the candidates who took the stage in South Carolina support Putin's chaos.

There is only one candidate who clearly does support Putin's scheme to destabilize U.S. and he is already in the White House.

Support your preferred candidate with all your heart. Don't fall prey to Putin's sway. Keep your anger in check and your common sense flowing.

The wisdom of the American people will save us; so long as we keep our eyes on that prize-- removing from office the most corrupt president in our nation's history.

[Hortensis]

147. If senators can do good in the senate, how come

Sanders has never accomplished anything of significance as a senator? Self-exile to the outside corner of a group that contains many capable leaders and doers is good for those who really don't want to work, but fatal for any chance at accomplishment.

And that's how it happened.

You know, seriously. If you were to inherit several mil in 8 years but had to put it all under control of someone you had no say over until then, would Sanders be the one? Wouldn't you require proven records of both competence and integrity before you handed it all over and hoped to at worst get just as much, or at least most of it, back someday?

Surely you'd require more than a sales pitch that promised you the world and insisted every other money manager but him was no better than the "Republicans."

[Tweedy]

150. ??

I have seen nothing so far from Senator Sanders to challenge either his integrity or competence. What have you seen?

Yes, the Senator from Vermont is likely not the best coalition builder we have. That flaw has nothing to do with his integrity.

Bernie Sanders has, without a doubt, more credibility than his incompetence-in-chief.

Senator Sanders amendment strategy is not the boldest senatorial move. On this metric, our strongest candidate is, without a doubt, Elizabeth Warren.

Nevertheless, Senator Sanders amendment strategy worked to make bad bills a little better in many instances. That surely demonstrates competence. Despite some of his surrogates and his own attacks on democrats, he has competently run his campaign.

Integrity and competence are not problems for Senator Sanders. As for how he would handle investments, right now the system is gamed against most of us. Surely fixing that corruption comes first.

All of that said, Joe Biden is a man of integrity and has demonstrated competence as a senator and Vice President. His campaigning skills, although infinitely superior to the current president, have not impressed so far this cycle.

[Jirel]

83. Bravo.

Yes, he certainly will. Sanders has many supporters within the party, and would be able to get a top notch Veep. The Democratic Party is not about shooting itself in the foot out of spite. Believing it is, says more about the person making the accusation than about the party.

[LakeArenal]

103. I disagree. Sanders campaign is shooting us all in the foot.

Especially if we consider ourselves part of the Establishment Democrats.

Sanders threw down that gauntlet.
He wants a revolution, remember?

[BComplex]

128. But if Bernie gets the nomination, we will all be voting for him, right?

I know I sure would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat.

[LakeArenal]

130. You should know perfectly well on DU

We have to say we will vote for the nominee. Quit trying to corner someone.

Incidentally, voting is a secret ballot. We don’t have to tell anyone who we vote for.

[marble falls]

145. Against Trump? In a half a heart beat.

[brooklynite]

3. Losing ALL 50 States would be history-making...

In all seriousness, I had a private lunch with Nina in 2015 when she was an up and comer in the Ohio Democ4@58+ Party. How times change...

[MineralMan]

12. Yes. That has never happened before.

It would turn 2020 into a historical novelty.

[True Blue American]

16. Nina impress you?

Just asking.

[MineralMan]

24. She's very impressive, in her own way, don't you think?

[True Blue American]

35. Truth?

No, I have watched her try to hang on too long since she lost her seat.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

4. O yes

Let's quadruple a trump landslide with Sander's/Stein

Oops turner

[Peregrine Took]

6. I love Nina. n/t

[MineralMan]

13. No doubt.

[Codeine]

22. Most Stein voters do. nt

[Hortensis]

94. I love the thought of Sanders and Turner trapped in

extended lockdown together during some threat.

Sanders definitely needs a relatively passive type he can count on not to compete or disagree with him even the slightest bit. That's certainly not Turner, but I'm enjoying imagining the sparks and how quickly until she was exiled to wherever black female running mates could be sidelined. Campaigning in rural black churches, the more rural the more likely is a guess.

[LakeArenal]

102. Yes those non- democratic voters do impress Sanders

[MontanaMama]

9. Maybe he could choose

Susan Sarandon? ......INCOMING!

[MineralMan]

17. She's too old and too white for the VP nomination, I think.

[True Blue American]

27. LOL!

[MontanaMama]

73. I was kidding...

And stirring the pot.

[MineralMan]

74. Yes, I know...

Me, too.

[jmowreader]

100. She's only 76, plenty young for Sanders

She wouldn’t be the choice because she’d upstage him.

[DanTex]

10. I think Sanders/Yang would be a strong ticket.

[True Blue American]

21. Better yet

David Sorito. He is a whiz kid! Cough,hack, mumble.

[MineralMan]

26. Do you, now?

Hmm...

[DanTex]

29. I certainly do. Yang has a lot of cross-party appeal. He's young, new ideas.

Perfect complement to Bernie.

[JakeBailey]

33. I do too...

Although, I think an XXX/Yang ticket would be strong in general - not to mention that I'd pay to see Yang and Pence debate..."Science !!!!" - "Jesus !!!!"

At any rate, in Bernie, Biden and Warren's case the VP selection will be of utmost importance because of the age factor I think - especially with Joe who has definitely lost a step and Bernie with his heart situation.

[LisaM]

101. Wow, that's about as Bro as it gets.

Maybe they can have people like Elon Musk and Travis Kavalnick in the cabinet and lecture us how they aren't bros. That would be super fun for me.

[Devil Child]

143. Sanders/Yang or Sanders/Gabbard or Sanders/Warren is my pref

I see any of the above as winning combos. Especially Sanders/Warren.

[brush]

14. You left out the sarcasm gif.

[MineralMan]

18. I thought the tic (tongue in cheek) thing sufficed.

[brush]

37. Ok, that's new to me, will file it.

[rzemanfl]

76. +1. n/t

[stopbush]

15. Are u effing kidding me?

[MineralMan]

19. Most likely.

[Codeine]

20. Nightmare fuel. nt

[MineralMan]

34. Well, these days, a lot of things are fueling my nightmares.

Yes, indeed...

[Nanjeanne]

23. Oh seriously Bernie is not putting Nina on the ticket.

I lik he a lot but Bernie is not making that move.

[MineralMan]

30. Why wouldn't he? I mean she agrees with him on policy.

And she meets all of the other criteria a lot of people see as important, right?

Never mind the Jill Stein vote. Nobody would bring that up, I'm sure.

[LanternWaste]

28. I doubt any candidate would select a useful idiot

So I can certainly understand why you suggest it.

[William769]

31. I sometimes do not understand you MineralMan.

[MineralMan]

38. {/tic}

We don't have a tongue-in-cheek smilie on DU, unfortunately.

[MineralMan]

71. Nor do I some days...

[William769]

78. At least we are in good company.

[hlthe2b]

32. I'd surely like to think you are being facetious. I have NOTHING positive to say about Nina Turner

and while I understand why many support Sanders, to suggest Turner has shown herself to be anything but a provocateur and frankly an abysmal human being is inexplicable.

[MineralMan]

44. I am being facetious, as I often am.

It's a bad habit I have, perhaps...

[TomSlick]

146. I'm not being facetious at all.

I fully expect that if Sanders gets the nomination, he will name Nina as VP.

Sanders is not interested in increasing his chance of winning. His only interest is a political revolution.

[YOHABLO]

36. I think you're being tongue in cheek.

I think we need an AA woman as VP, but not Turner.

[dalton99a]

39. Nina would make a great president.

She can yell

[greatauntoftriplets]

41. Surely you jest!

Or do I mean, Shirley you jest? There's always Tulsi.

[MineralMan]

45. Well, yes, there is Tulsi...

She'd be my alternate choice for Sanders to pick, for sure.

[greatauntoftriplets]

56. Or Jill.

[MineralMan]

57. Jill Stein will be appointed as Ambassador to Russia, no doubt.

She'd love that job.

[greatauntoftriplets]

60. Either that or Secretary of State.

[Tweedy]

42. Are you punking us?

No. Just, no.

Nina Turner claimed a question about Senator Sanders' medical records was "birtherism."

That claim is disqualifying absolutely.

Perhaps Nina Turner should focus on turning her home state of Ohio blue? That would be an excellent path for anyone to pursue.

[MineralMan]

66. Perhaps...

[Callado119]

85. Turner would turn OH redder..she's poison..just a showboating grifter..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. Just shoot me now.

I know you're kidding, but you really shouldn't joke about such things because there are people who would actually think that's a good idea.

[MineralMan]

47. Satire is only funny when some think it is serious.

{/tic} Turns off tongue-in-cheek mode.

[Butterflylady]

63. MineralMan, I always look forward to your posts

To have a good laugh in times like these. Your come backs are the greatest.

[MineralMan]

64. Thank you kindly! 😍

[highplainsdem]

46. If anything's worse than having Sanders at the top of the ticket, it's adding Turner to it. Well,

maybe adding Sirota as VP would be slightly worse, but I'm not sure.

FWIW, the top choices for Sanders' VP among the Sanders supporters I've seen on Twitter seem to be Tulsi Gabbard and Nina Turner.

Nightmare scenarios...

[MineralMan]

53. Sirota will be his Secretary of State, I hear some are saying...

Tulsi Gabbard for Ambassador to the UN, perhaps.

[highplainsdem]

59. Kill me now.

[lark]

48. Oh hell no!

She's a huge Stein supporter and actively worked against Hillary in 2016 - she would be terrible and would drive the worst of the Bernie Bros to even greater heights of hate and anti-Democratic actions.

[comradebillyboy]

81. That's exactly why Bernie might pick her.

[honest.abe]

49. Nina Turner is our version of Sarah Palin.

[MineralMan]

68. Nope. You'd never see Nina in a video

with some guy behind her beheading a turkey. Nothing beats that.

[honest.abe]

77. LOL.. indeed!

[sweetloukillbot]

50. After looking through some of Sanders "medical" writings from the 70s

I'm thinking Marianne Williamson.

[MineralMan]

65. I never think of Marianne Williamson, actually.

I just can't...

[sweetloukillbot]

91. Probably for the best

[RandiFan1290]

51. Do you guys ever talk about your candidate? nt

[MineralMan]

62. I'm just one guy, actually.

And I keep hearing that Bernie is a shoe-in for the nomination here. So, since he's the topic du jour, I'm talking about him.

[TwilightZone]

126. Do you ever do anything other than take shots at people?

At least his comments are relevant.

[dem4decades]

52. I'd like to comment but I'm afraid to.

[Meadowoak]

55. How about Sanders/Warren?

[MineralMan]

58. Too old; too white; too competitor for him.

I don't see it.

[we can do it]

67. Oh hell no.

[MineralMan]

69. That's the spirit!

[we can do it]

75. 😹

[Happy Hoosier]

70. I know you are kidding, but...

If he picks her, I just don't know.... I guess I would still vote for him, but I'd puke a little while I did it.

[MineralMan]

72. Your hopes are now realized, then...

[Hassler]

79. If Turner is on the ticket, I'll vote for Jill Stein.

[MineralMan]

84. So will she, probably.

[nycbos]

80. HELL NO.

[Squinch]

82. Sanders/Sarandon?

[comradebillyboy]

86. Should Sanders win the nom he will definitely pick a running mate who

worships the ground he walks on. So no one with any ideas of their own would be suitable.

[Callado119]

87. Nina Turner would be Sarah Palin on steroids...

That ticket would turn blue states red...epic disaster..

[handmade34]

88. uh, no

if there is anyone in this Democratic realm that I like less than Bernie, it is Nina Turner... she is even more divisive...

if Bernie wins the nomination, he best choose a more moderate than Turner as the VP

[brooklynite]

89. Oddmakers seem to like Nina...

Link to tweet

[MineralMan]

98. Which makes my sarcasm even more pungent.

Frightening.

[melman]

108. Well something is certainly pungent

But I'm not sure it's the sarcasm.

[MineralMan]

110. Do go on...

[melman]

115. Okay

You started a hate thread. I think it stinks.

[MineralMan]

117. A hate thread?

I asked what people thought about a Sanders/Turner ticket. People replied. Some even think it's a good idea. Others find fault with the idea. Some laughed. Some got angry. Please reread the original post that started the thread.

Yes, it was intended as sarcastic satire, but not everyone recognized that. Many posted their real opinions of such a ticket. Those ranged from people who thought it would be great to people who found it to be a terrible idea.

Personally, I reject the idea of someone who voted for Jill Stein rather than Hillary Clinton as a VP nominee, but I did not say that in my OP. In fact, I provided reasons that Senator Sanders might pick her. No hate was in my OP. I don't do hate here.

I just posed a question. Oddsmakers are giving Nina Turner the very best odds of being Sanders' running mate. Some people take that proposal seriously. Do you?

[melman]

125. Yes

You know where you're posting and how the board leans. If not, how is it sarcastic satire to begin with?


You know the reaction Turner gets here. You would have to. So it's pretty clear it was that reaction you were looking for.



As for the question. No I don't think that's very likely.

[MineralMan]

131. I know many things.

Ask yourself why Nina Turner is disliked here. I'm sure you know the answer to that question. We have all sorts of people in this forum. Some are fans of Bernie Sanders. Others are fans of other candidates. All can post as they choose, just as I can.

What you do not, and cannot know is my intent. Read my post. Don't attempt to guess why I wrote it.

Many people have suggested that Nina Turner might be Bernie's pick. He picked her to be a major figure in his campaign. I am not a fan of Nina Turner, because she voted for Jill Stein in 2016, and is very proud of that. I would not support her selection as the VP nominee. But, I did not say that in my OP. I simply asked what people thought of that idea. Why did I do that? Because I want people to think about that idea as part of their thinking about the primary race in general.

That's what we do in this forum. Yes, my post was satirical, because I can frankly not imagine that anyone would take the idea of Nina Turner being the VP nominee seriously. And yet, people do take it seriously, so I raised the question in hopes they would think about that idea a little more.

I know where I'm posting very well. My posts here are germane to the topic of this forum. They are designed to stimulate conversation and discussion. That is the function of this forum.

That you do not care for my posts is irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. I post what I mean to say. You do not know me. You do not know my intent. You do not get to suggest that I posted to inspire hatred. Why do you not get to do that? Because you are incorrect. You have imputed an intent that is not present. Read my OP again, please.

[TwilightZone]

127. There's nothing even remotely close to "hate" in the OP.

Perhaps you should read it again and then look in the mirror.

[MineralMan]

133. I have read it again - several times.

There is nothing having to do with "hate" in the OP, nor was there intent for that.

My intention was to start a discussion, and one has ensued from my post. So, I accomplished my goal, and the discussion happened.


Thanks!

[Dem4Life1102]

90. Why not Sanders/Gabbard?

[JCMach1]

96. Hell to the no...

I can't stand her... I say that as a Sanders backer

[Act_of_Reparation]

97. I like her.

[MineralMan]

99. Uh, OK, then...

[Act_of_Reparation]

112. What? You don't?

[MineralMan]

134. No, I do not.

[Act_of_Reparation]

153. That's cool. I really wouldn't worry about it, though.

I'm sure our VP will be satisfactorily inoffensive.

[melman]

111. Yeah

It's funny how the OP's thread assumes everyone hates Nina Turner.

[MineralMan]

113. It assumes nothing of the sort.

It speculates on Bernie's choice. It asks for input from others about such a ticket. You like her, I guess, and would welcome her as the VP nominee. Thanks for letting us know.

[melman]

114. Oh

Are you denying this thread was intended to elicit hateful comments about Nina Turner? That's cute.

[MineralMan]

116. This thread was intended to amuse, actually.

Apparently, you do not find it amusing.

[melman]

118. What's the basis of the intended amusement?

The assumption that the reader already has a negative opinion of Turner.

[MineralMan]

119. I don't explain the intended humor in my satirical posts.

To do so would destroy the intent of the satire.

As usual, some did not recognize that the post was satirical. I answered those people in a way that explained that.

I do not intend to amuse everyone. I do not intend to please everyone. I post my opinions on this forum. People respond to them as they please.

I do not write "hate" posts.

Good day to you!

[Scoopster]

104. Absolutely not.

That would be a 100% guarantee for lots of people to stay home. The ticket would need to show unity in the party if Bernie is truly serious about winning this.

I'm not necessarily saying he needs to pick a moderate, but it does have to be someone that the central vein of the party would be comfortable with. And someone capable and experienced enough to take the reins should something happen. Nina Turner is neither of those.

[MineralMan]

106. According to another post in this thread, Nina Turner is apparently

the odds-on favorite for the VP nod. I don't follow election odds, but that's the case.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=595630

[KayF]

105. what is so obviously ridiculous about that?

she's the campaign chair, much lower profile than a normal VP pick, so I don't think it's likely.

But what is so obviously ridiculous about the idea of picking her that you would single her out?

[MineralMan]

120. Well, at least one oddsmaker thinks she's the most likely choice:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=595630

So, I raised the question about the possibility. I said nothing about it being "obviously ridiculous." Please reread my original post.

[unitedwethrive]

107. Perfect. It will make the choice for the voters very clear.

Might as well go with what works for him.

[OliverQ]

109. Bernie either needs Warren as VP

or a moderate like Kamala Harris.

Julian Castro might not be bad either.

[NurseJackie]

121. I think Tina is no longer an American citizen... she's Swiss now, correct?

[MineralMan]

122. Someone brought that up. I was not aware of it.

However, I'm asking about Nina Turner, not Tina.

[NurseJackie]

123. Nina is a hot mess. She supported and voted for Jill Stein.

[MineralMan]

124. That's true, too, but oddsmakers are suggesting

that she has the best chance of being Bernie's VP choice:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=595630

[kimbutgar]

129. No, no and no!

[MineralMan]

132. I agree.

[Hav]

135. Dude, I just ate

It almost came out again.

But they have much in common, the chemistry would be there. For example, they probably voted for or at least preferred the same presidential candidate in 2016.

[MineralMan]

136. Sorry. That was not my intent.

A number of people in this thread have mistaken my intent.

[The Genealogist]

138. Hey could run as BernNina 2020!

Feel the BernNina!

[MineralMan]

139. Wonderful slogan, eh?

[The Genealogist]

140. Simple, straightforward.

Just slap it on a bumper sticker and you're golden.

[Historic NY]

141. They both want to kill the Democratic Party.....

[MineralMan]

142. Shhh....

[Tommy_Carcetti]

144. I'm afraid not everyone hear will get the sarcasm, but...

...yeah, if that happens, well (((THIS SPACE DELETED AS PER DU MODERATORS AND JURY)), so...

[ehrnst]

148. You mean unquestioning deference on all matters? (nt)

[Jersey Devil]

149. I doubt anyone outside of DU even knows who Turner is

You may as wll pick someone off a street corner and name them veep as pick Turner.

[CentralMass]

151. Stop trying to stir the pot MM.

[MineralMan]

154. The Primary Pot is Self-Stirring.

It needs no help from me.

[Pachamama]

152. Your kidding, right?

[Blue_Tires]

155. Are you taking the piss, m8?