Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThe one fear I have for the 2020 election
The one thing that I fear could lose us the 2020 election is that the nominee is someone who supports Medicare for all, and that people getting coverage from their employers realize that they would lose that coverage. All it would take to avert that, would be to announce that employer based coverage could continue. The candidate that I am most worried that he wouldn't do that is Bernie. Baring some dramatic revelation concerning our nominee, I think that is the only real way we could lose the election.
The Republicans are in the stone age when it comes to health care. With the demonization of the ACA, they have boxed themselves out of any reasonable approach.
I don't think that the word socialist is going to kill us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)He also said that private insurance would continue as well.
I think as long as he continues to make sure everyone hears those points, there won't be any problems for him at least.
I agree about the word socialist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
proud patriot
(100,706 posts)1) Harris (on my Car)
2)Tulsi (my congresswoman Ordered sticker)
3) Bernie Baby (recycled bumper Sticker on car)
4) PETE ( ordered sticker I have a feeling he may move up my list)
5) Warren (sticker ordered)
These are my team .. And My team Kicks Republican ass ..
CAN YOU HERE ME NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)(pssst. the word is hear, not here!)
Where did you get the PETE sticker?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zaj
(3,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)with their employer insurance to try to stuff iMedicare-for-All down their throats. If someone can find a simple way to explain to people theyll be better off paying more in taxes than premiums, great. So far, Vermont, Colorado, California legislators who abandoned Medicare for all couldnt figure out a way to deliver that message.
Mandatory Medicare-for-All is a loser because there are too many stupid people in this country to understand the advantages. Well have to go the option route. If Medicare for younger people is as good as we think, people will gravitate toward it quickly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I think that we will get to some single payer eventually. The premiums and deductibles are continuously rising on the employer based plans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,250 posts)Thankful for the ability to have employer subsidized coverage.
Now we looking at Medicare and supplemental or an Advantage plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)and cost. What about kids on their parents insurance...if you have three kids insured individually, the cost would be prohibitive. Medicare for all has many problems that can be exploited by the right.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneBro
(1,159 posts)I think only right-wingers are pushing this straw-man they created, and the NYTimes seems happy to promote it.
Medicare for All Would Abolish Private Insurance. Theres No Precedent in American History.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/health/private-health-insurance-medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders.html
Notice that they dont actually cite any such actual statement from Sanders on the question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)a world of difference, IMHO. Medicare for all sounds like it is being promoted as a replacement for all insurance coverage. And until your post it is the only way I have ever understood it to be. Are you saying it is something else?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)would end. Sanders is for this I believe...a way Democratic can differentiate themselves from him. I support a public option.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneBro
(1,159 posts)Sorry for the late response. I've been a traveling man.
I understand that "Medicare for All" might prohibit people from buying private insurance for basic needs. That prohibition would be similar to Canada's limitations, at least according to this article at Think Progress https://thinkprogress.org/can-canadians-purchase-private-health-insurance-coverage-ed7a25f9c602/
Canadians can purchase supplemental private coverage for services that are not covered by the public plan, but cannot purchase private insurance for basic services. As CBC News points out, private health insurance is a crucial part of the system, and Canadians spent about $43.2 billion on private coverage in 2005. Private insurance covers anything beyond what the public system will pay for. For instance, should you have to spend some time in the hospital, the public system will cover the cost of your bed in a ward, which usually has three other patients. If you want a private room, the extra charge will come out of your pocket, unless you have extended health coverage either through your employer or through a policy you have bought yourself.
Basic services are covered by the government precisely because the large risk pools allow the government to negotiate cheaper rates with providers and control health care costs. The government fears, with good reason, that if Canadians can leave the purchasing pools, the governments market power would diminish.
Under Canada's system, however, private insurance did not cease, it just shifted to the supplemental side of the table. Smarter heads might agree that you can't have "medicare for all" without the demise of private insurance, and if that's the case, so be it.
Regardless, if Bernie is promoting "medicare for all," it's best for him to fill the informational voids before, as we've seen here, others fill it for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)for one reason or another.
I do not support medicare for all but think it needs to be discussed. One of the major reasons is that we have to do away with connecting health insurance to employment. People need to get comfortable with the thought that it is a really bad idea to have that connection. I think that should be discussed more, not less.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)of nationalizing health care which some 87% of the people oppose.
Medicare should be an option in a basket of coverages to stimulate competition and lower the prices but shouldn't be rammed down people's throats.
The "Medicare for all" as proposed by most candidates except Bernie is an optional one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)you need to pay closer attention; there's lots more fears to have!
how about "Trump is re-elected and you die before he leaves office?"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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