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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 12:52 AM Mar 2020

Clint Watts: Trump or Sanders?: Who does Russia Want to be President?

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Clint Watts, the Counter-Terrorism Expert, who testified before the Senate about Russia's efforts to help Trump confirms once again that within the Democratic primary, Russia is once again boosting the Sanders campaign. Why? Because Sander's staple attacks on a free media and the integrity of elections are tailored made to Russian efforts to undermine faith in U.S. Democracy.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/05/clint-watts-on-russias-information-warfare.html

https://www.fpri.org/fie/trump-sanders-russia-2020/

Russia, as in 2016, prefers Bernie Sanders within the Democratic field for several reasons.

We know Russia may be boosting the Sanders campaign in 2020 for a few reasons.
>The Kremlin started off the 2020 campaign season with relatively neutral coverage of Sanders, but since January 1, 2019 our project has shown they’ve portrayed him the most positively in the Democratic field by volume and second-most by percentage.
>We also know that Facebook shuttered Russian inauthentic activity in 2019 that bolstered Sanders. We don’t know the content of the U.S. intelligence community’s briefing to the Sanders campaign, but we might wonder if it had to do with inauthentic social media support for Sanders or employing bots to boost his campaign and increase division amongst the Democrats.
>In recent weeks, the Russian state-sponsored media has accelerated their positive support of Sanders and shifted to a familiar pattern reminiscent of 2016. Key narratives they’ve recently begun to amplify for Sanders on RT and Sputnik News include:
* It’s rigged! – The Democratic establishment has rigged the process against Sanders, just like they allegedly did in 2016.
* Boosting positive polls for Sanders – While not biased in substance, as Sanders is the frontrunner by most accounts, Russia’s selection bias for Sanders clearly sticks out. One Sputnik News story paints his policy proposals as mainstream, writing that “only 17 percent of Democratic-leaning adults in the national Post-ABC poll believing that Sanders was ‘too liberal.’” Another Sputnik article criticizes other Democratic candidates but praises Sanders.
* He’s an underdog – Sanders, much like Trump in 2016, is painted as an outsider candidate among establishment Democrats.
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Clint Watts: Trump or Sanders?: Who does Russia Want to be President? (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2020 OP
More: The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #1
Pretty much what I imagined relayerbob Mar 2020 #2
They quite obviously want Тяцмр to be "President". BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2020 #3
No, there's no evidence that Bernie is either a knowing Russian asset The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #5
+1 Mersky Mar 2020 #7
yes. let's make this very clear. stopdiggin Mar 2020 #11
They prefer Trump but either will do. comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #4
This is about creating dissension in the Democratic Party. Period. mjvpi Mar 2020 #6
And it's working. Thanks for pointing that out. nt babylonsister Mar 2020 #8
Because That Is What Bernie Does TomCADem Mar 2020 #12
Well, we know that with tRUMP installed in office the de facto President is sPUTIN... abqtommy Mar 2020 #9
Welp. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #10
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
1. More:
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:01 AM
Mar 2020
For the Kremlin, Sanders offers much to like. Sanders is a weaker challenger to Trump as compared to establishment figures. Sanders traveled to and praised the Soviet Union during the Cold War, shames hawkish American foreign policy, talks of withdrawing the U.S. from foreign battlefields and prioritizes climate change as a top national security threat. Rarely does Sanders speak of what foreign policy or national security may look like in a Sanders administration. If he were elected, who would his national security staff even be? While a longtime domestic policy advocate, Sanders seems a foreign policy neophyte compared to the rest of the Democractic field. Given that, if he defeated Trump, it might not be all bad for Putin the way other establishment candidates have vowed. Most importantly, Sanders populist supporters offer an aggressive wedge to divide the political left against Trump and sow enduring chaos on the legitimacy of American democracy.
https://www.fpri.org/fie/trump-sanders-russia-2020/
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relayerbob

(6,545 posts)
2. Pretty much what I imagined
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:06 AM
Mar 2020

BUt really REALLY scary to see it put in black and white

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BlueTsunami2018

(3,493 posts)
3. They quite obviously want Тяцмр to be "President".
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:09 AM
Mar 2020

As he’s their agent. They just push Bernie because they see it as a easier way to keep their guy in place. Bernie is a lot of things but he’s not evil, he’s not a traitor and he wouldn’t be doing Putin’s bidding.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
5. No, there's no evidence that Bernie is either a knowing Russian asset
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:15 AM
Mar 2020

or a useful idiot like Trump, who is one or the other if not both. But his weaknesses as a candidate and as a potential president are things Putin can exploit.

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stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
11. yes. let's make this very clear.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:29 AM
Mar 2020

for all the people who can't be bothered to read anything.

Sanders is anything but a dupe .. for anyone. The Russians are once again (or perpetually?) trying to destabilize our system. And Sanders (from their viewpoint) better fits the bill.

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Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,155 posts)
4. They prefer Trump but either will do.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:13 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
6. This is about creating dissension in the Democratic Party. Period.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:20 AM
Mar 2020

If we are fighting between ourselves, e won’t beat Trump

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babylonsister

(171,075 posts)
8. And it's working. Thanks for pointing that out. nt
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:23 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
12. Because That Is What Bernie Does
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:00 PM
Mar 2020

This is why Russian media pushes negatives stories about Warren. It is not about ideology. It is about who is fundamentally divisive. Bernie is not going to change. He thrives on attacking his would be Democratic allies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
9. Well, we know that with tRUMP installed in office the de facto President is sPUTIN...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:29 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,815 posts)
10. Welp.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:54 AM
Mar 2020

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------and that is all I have to say. Anything more would perhaps be a violation.

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