Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumTime for Biden to ignore Sanders.
I think its time for Biden to ignore Sanders. Ideally, going forward, Biden can talk about his own policies to rebuild Americas credibility, rebuild our infrastructure, and rebuild our trade relations. Suggestions about who he would appoint in his administration, ads about bringing integrity back to the White House, . . . you get the point, but Biden need not personally mention Sanders again other than to compliment his passion and whatnot.
Meanwhile, the DNC and prior candidates could be pounding the hell out of the Trump criminal administrative enterprise and the Senators that support and enables him.
The attack ad slamming Sanders for threatening to primary Obama feels icky and leaves both camps a bit muddy. Likewise, Bernies attacks against Biden and the establishment leave Bernie looking like a desperate amateur.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)a unified response to defeat the monster is necessary. We don't have time to waste on fighting among ourselves if we are to accomplish this. Count those votes California and get the final results out pronto. imo
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
We are going to need all our supporters in November. Our focus should be on coming together to taking down Trump and fumigating the White House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,169 posts)better to keep an eye on him
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OneBro
(1,159 posts)A presidential Biden need not bother with a game of tit-for-tat with Sanders. Let surrogates (Carville, Clinton, etc.) point out the Bernie negatives. Biden, however, should be President Biden in all that he says and does.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)Now, having said that, I would prefer that we not attack each other, but after watching how Sanders and his surrogates and supporters have gone after Democrats and the Democratic Party for close to half a decade now, I know that is just wishful thinking at this point given that his so-called """movement""" is basically BUILT on attacking us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneBro
(1,159 posts)Im saying its time for Candidate Biden to shift into President Biden mode, i.e. not PERSONALLY trade barbs with Bernie or his surrogates. Fight back as needed during debates, but on the campaign trail just leave Bernie alone to personally wallow in the mud pit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Night when the establishment question came up. He answered that all voted for him. That was the right answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)And people psychologically start adjusting to a new administration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)plenty of surrogates to go after sanders. Hoping for bloomberg to finish sanders off with RNC type ads
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gab13by13
(21,369 posts)It's better for Joe to get the skeletons out of his closet now then wait for Trump to do it. JMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)the primary at all.
wheres the all photos running on foxnews with sanders marching in Socialist workers parardes? Wheres all the documentation being shown on sanders involvement with the Marxist Party? All this been held back. What sander's wife's little issue with her last job?
RNC. trump, foxnews all sitting on a treasure trove of sanders attack materials and waiting to use it all. I hope bloomberg beats them to it NOW
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)He's gotten virtually a free ride for the last two election cycles.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)No. We "ignore" Bernie at our own peril. Time to put his campaign to bed. Time to end his litany of lies and smears and insinuation and innuendo. Time to hit back HARD against the denigration and deception and derision and divisiveness. There's no love lost between Bernie Sanders and the Democratic party. He's made his contempt for the party abundantly clear... and unless we forcefully refute and rebut HIS smears and attacks and lies, then they continue to fester. Biden commands more attention than "surrogates" and he's the perfect one to refute the lies and fend off the smears and attacks. In doing so, he'll expose Bernie's cynical tactics of division, and he'll also elevate himself by showing how a TRUE leader and a TRUE Democrat behaves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneBro
(1,159 posts)I get what youre saying, but I Biden personally attacking Bernie has a higher risk of alienating (some of) Bernies supporters to the point that they might sit out the general election. Plus, every time Biden personally mentions Bernie, it suggests that Bernie is still in the game and worthy of discussion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fuck them if they are so selfish and self-absorbed that they are incapable of making the right decision on their own. Fuck them if they feel like the need to "punish" the party in order to "make a statement". It must be nice that they can afford the luxury of causing the most vulnerable among us to suffer... simply because of their disappointment and hurt feelings.
All I'm saying is this: they want to be coddled and validated... and even then they'll be unreliable voters. They're a lost cause. They're dragging us down and there comes a time when they simply need to be cut-loose.
Here's the thing. We could spend many dollars and hours trying to coddle, appease, apologize, validate, stroke, soothe, negotiate, bargain-with, reason-with and otherwise engage in a battle of wits until they're "worn down" and (grudgingly) agree (maybe/maybe-not) to vote for Biden. All that effort for ONE vote... who may not even vote anyway.
OR... a better return-on-investment would be to spend an equal amount of effort getting dozens and dozens of other new voters to support Democrats. New voters, first time voters, fallow and absent voters... people who don't need to be continually flattered... people who aren't perpetual grudge-holders... people who understand that PARTICIPATING is a better way to make their voices heard. (Unlike those who "make a statement" by staying home.)
I'm reminded of how John Kerry remained silent for so long when the attacks were coming his way. He didn't want to "dignify" the attacks by responding... and that only allowed the lies and smears to take-hold. What you're suggesting that Biden do would be to duplicate John Kerry's mistake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
subana
(586 posts)there's not much hope for Bernie anymore simply because the polls & the math are not favorable to him.
I think Joe should question him when he tries to suck up to Obama fans like the recent ad which made it look as if Obama had endorsed him when he clearly has not. But apart from that, he probably should not attack him. It was pretty ridiculous that Bernie tried to say that he supported Obama while he wanted to primary him in his re-election!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)I know Ive made a lot of comments about Bernie bros, etc, but the vast majority of Bernie voters I know are idealistic liberals who care deeply about other human beings. We need them to stay engaged and we need them not to hate the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneBro
(1,159 posts)My presumption is that we all have similar ideals, and I much prefer to see Biden throwing breadcrumbs to bring folks in rather than barbs that leave stinging marks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)He does answer attacks in a hummer way, if possible, other wise with facts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Less than half the country has had the chance to vote yet. I haven't decided yet between Bernie and Joe but if Biden decides not to campaign in my state because it's a safe blue state and he decides to ignore Bernie, Bernie's getting my vote for sure. It's bad enough that during the general election, candidates only come here to host high dollar fundraisers that most of us can't afford to go to. Any candidate who doesn't come and try to earn our votes isn't getting mine.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)on what he will do - everything you said in OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden