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brooklynite

(94,635 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:12 PM Mar 2020

Bernie Sanders Cancels Mississippi Rally, Shifting Focus to Michigan

New York Times

BURLINGTON, Vt. — Senator Bernie Sanders has canceled a planned rally in Jackson, Miss., and will instead travel to Michigan on Friday, a striking indication that his presidential campaign is shifting its focus to the Midwest and largely ceding another Southern state to former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., according to people familiar with the plans.

After holding a rally in Phoenix on Thursday night, Mr. Sanders had been scheduled to travel to Jackson on Friday for a rally focused on racial justice.

The change in plans suggests that Mr. Sanders will not challenge Mr. Biden for the support of black voters in the South — a vital base in the Democratic Party — and is instead going all-in on the Midwest as he tries to compete with Mr. Biden for working-class voters there. Black voters in the South have overwhelmingly backed Mr. Biden to this point, and on Super Tuesday their support lifted him in states like Alabama, North Carolina and Virginia.

In Alabama, Mr. Sanders won only 9 percent of black voters, compared with 72 percent for Mr. Biden, according to exit polls. Mr. Biden outperformed Mr. Sanders among black voters in Virginia by more than 50 points, and by 40 points or more in Texas and North Carolina. In several states, Mr. Sanders came in third among black voters, behind not only Mr. Biden but also Michael R. Bloomberg.
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Bernie Sanders Cancels Mississippi Rally, Shifting Focus to Michigan (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2020 OP
Giving up on Southern Black voters and doubling down on WWC. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #1
stop with rallies...do video conferences instead nt Fresh_Start Mar 2020 #2
This is the kind of thing that happens when a campaign has entered a death spiral AGeddy Mar 2020 #3
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2020 #6
It's a strategic move which acknowledges that Joe Biden has a lock on the African American totodeinhere Mar 2020 #12
It's a hail mary pass on 4th and 15. AGeddy Mar 2020 #14
Exactly democrattotheend Mar 2020 #62
Why not at least try to cover the 15% so he doesnt get shut out entirely?? honest.abe Mar 2020 #16
I don't know what their internal polling is showing about Mississippi or Michigan. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #19
Because at this point, it's about optics and losing Michigan looks a lot worse... Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #21
Yes perhaps. But I think he loses Michigan regardless. honest.abe Mar 2020 #23
He's not going to stop Biden by losing Michigan. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #24
I think he's done regardless. honest.abe Mar 2020 #25
Probably but at that point, MS is irrelevant. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #28
Yeah, that's probably correct, but I dont think he has a prayer of winning in Michigan either. honest.abe Mar 2020 #43
"Sanders has also said that if Biden has the delegate lead prior to the convention, that he should pampango Mar 2020 #59
People are focusing on decency and integrity. Biden is winning. Bernie just quit. We won't forget. wiley Mar 2020 #60
So Bernie doesn't think he needs to even try to get our votes? StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #29
Black voters are a lost cause to him Moderateguy Mar 2020 #30
If black voters are a lost cause to him, maybe he should stop thinking he should be president StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #32
This squirecam Mar 2020 #56
Lemme tell ya bout a little place called greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #41
He has been trying to get African American votes throughout the campaign. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #40
Aren't there also a lot of black voters in Michigan? democrattotheend Mar 2020 #63
Bernie cancels "a rally focused on racial justice" wiley Mar 2020 #33
Interesting priorities. Not the decision that I would have made... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #36
It's interesting that just a few days ago he was the front runner for the nomination and the pundits totodeinhere Mar 2020 #44
"We can at least allow him to pursue his dream for a bit longer" StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #53
He was never actually threatening to win until Nevada squirecam Mar 2020 #57
Well said democrattotheend Mar 2020 #64
What state do you vote in? bearsfootball516 Mar 2020 #78
New York democrattotheend Mar 2020 #79
Sort of like a retreat is described as a "strategic withdrawal"... brooklynite Mar 2020 #58
Hmm, I seem to remember Biden cancelling his New Hampshire election night rally democrattotheend Mar 2020 #61
yep Gothmog Mar 2020 #68
Smart move. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #4
Grim indeed. Have you seen the latest polling data from Florida? He's not even VIABLE there!! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #37
With Warren out, he might make it, if barely. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #45
I guess he thinks nobody will notice. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2020 #5
He knows that if he loses MI, he is done. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #7
Hope he knows he is done, if he loses Michigan. Doubt it though, he, and staff, must empedocles Mar 2020 #15
looks like he wants to avoid all those establishment working class dems lol nt msongs Mar 2020 #8
Wonder if Gretchen Whitmer's endorsement of Biden today had anything to do with it? George II Mar 2020 #9
Will Biden make multiple trips to Wisconsin? Submariner Mar 2020 #10
dems stayed home in WI, like they did for supreme court race a few months back nt msongs Mar 2020 #18
The population of Jackson, MS is 81.4% Black or African American, 16.4% White, and 1.14% Hispanic... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #11
Mississippi might surprise you. nolabear Mar 2020 #13
If any candidate could have won it, it was Obama democrattotheend Mar 2020 #65
Good luck with that...Sander's record on the auto bailout is spotty at best...he voted against Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #17
That was before 2016 democrattotheend Mar 2020 #66
Hillary didn't go after Bernie much...you can bet it will be an issue this time...had Bush not Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #72
He skipped Selma and now this? grossproffit Mar 2020 #20
His relationship to Black voters seem to be transactional. Blue_true Mar 2020 #70
He's adhering to a pragmatic tactic. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #22
That's a concession that even the Sanders campaign realizes Jarqui Mar 2020 #26
This is similar to what he did in 2016. StevieM Mar 2020 #27
I'm so glad we have the NYT around to tell us there is no working class in Mississippi. RandySF Mar 2020 #31
You didn't know Mississippi is full of black oligarchs taking advantage of the white working class? StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #34
As I jokingly said in another thread... TwilightZone Mar 2020 #46
Signs of the wheels coming off when you have to start firefighting like this. sunonmars Mar 2020 #35
Ooooof greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #38
Bernie's making a mistake. RandySF Mar 2020 #39
+1... SidDithers Mar 2020 #48
Sanders is going full spoiler here. Yavin4 Mar 2020 #42
Not really a spoiler role. It's more like a last push. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #47
He's going negative. ucrdem Mar 2020 #74
Agreed. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #76
Yep. 2016 redux. ucrdem Mar 2020 #73
First Selma and now Mississippi. What is up with Bernie? n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #49
Sanders can't win in Mississippi, but might in Michigan, maybe. MineralMan Mar 2020 #50
I agree overall. It's a desperation move. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #52
It's Hobson's Choice for Bernie Sanders MineralMan Mar 2020 #54
Ayup. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #55
Biden needs to hit Michigan at least once more before Tuesday. Blue_true Mar 2020 #71
Bad move, Bernie mcar Mar 2020 #51
So sanders is giving up on Mississippi? Gothmog Mar 2020 #67
So, Sanders gave southern Black people another stiff-arm. Blue_true Mar 2020 #69
So, he's going to his base lol. cwydro Mar 2020 #75
He should still go to Mississippi, maybe in the nature of a listening tour. LisaM Mar 2020 #77
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,344 posts)
1. Giving up on Southern Black voters and doubling down on WWC. NT
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:15 PM
Mar 2020
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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
2. stop with rallies...do video conferences instead nt
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:15 PM
Mar 2020

nt

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AGeddy

(509 posts)
3. This is the kind of thing that happens when a campaign has entered a death spiral
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:15 PM
Mar 2020

When you are cancelling events in some states to try to shore up support in states you used to be strong in, the end is near.


In late October... if we see Trump cancelling events in say, PA, while adding events in Florida or Texas, we will know he is going to lose.
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totodeinhere

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12. It's a strategic move which acknowledges that Joe Biden has a lock on the African American
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020

vote. But whether the campaign is in a death spiral or not we shall see. If it turns out that Bernie excels in Michigan then this will be viewed as brilliant campaign strategy. But if not then yes maybe it's death spiral time.

This campaign has had so many rapid twists and turns that I am not ready to make any final conclusions just yet.

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AGeddy

(509 posts)
14. It's a hail mary pass on 4th and 15.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:26 PM
Mar 2020

But sometimes, those passes are completed.
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democrattotheend

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62. Exactly
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:10 PM
Mar 2020

An upset in Michigan saved Bernie once (in the short term, at least) and I wouldn't rule out it happening again.

I remember saying the same thing in 2012 when Romney started campaigning in PA at the very last minute after some other states with early voting were slipping away. It was a hail mary pass but sometimes they are caught. Based on 2016 it's possible Romney could have won that state if he'd campaigned there before the 99th hour. Obviously I'm glad he didn't.

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honest.abe

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16. Why not at least try to cover the 15% so he doesnt get shut out entirely??
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:29 PM
Mar 2020

Doesnt sound like smart strategy to me. Unless he's fairly certain he cant get 15% regardless. Which is quite possible.

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totodeinhere

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19. I don't know what their internal polling is showing about Mississippi or Michigan.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:31 PM
Mar 2020

But I guess that they just feel that there are more delegates to be had in Michigan whether he can reach the 15% threshold in Mississippi or not.

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Drunken Irishman

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21. Because at this point, it's about optics and losing Michigan looks a lot worse...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:35 PM
Mar 2020

...than getting zero delegates in MS. Yes, it's a delegate game but most people at this point aren't focused on delegates. They're focused on wins. If he loses Michigan, the narrative is going to be awful for his campaign and he'll likely not recover. If he wins Michigan, even if he loses 80-20 in Mississippi, he'll at least be able to live another day.

Not so if he loses Michigan, tho.

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honest.abe

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23. Yes perhaps. But I think he loses Michigan regardless.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:41 PM
Mar 2020

Seems to me his only hope of keeping his campaign alive is to stop Biden from amassing a majority. He loses all 36 delegates in MS if he fails to get to 15%. If he gets 15% he cuts the loss considerably. But yes I totally get your point. Its a tough call.

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Drunken Irishman

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24. He's not going to stop Biden by losing Michigan.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:46 PM
Mar 2020

He has to win Michigan. If he loses Michigan, regardless how many delegates he gets in MS, the floodgates will open and he's going to lose a lot more states by even wider margins.

Sanders has also said that if Biden has the delegate lead prior to the convention, that he should be the nominee. At this point, Sanders understands his only option is to prolong this race as much as possible on the off chance something happens between now and summer. Winning Michigan can help formulate a narrative that he's still in this. But losing Michigan will kill that narrative and likely end any hope of visibly carrying on.

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honest.abe

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25. I think he's done regardless.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:49 PM
Mar 2020

I suspect Biden will win MI by double digits no matter what Bernie does or doesnt do.

Barring some earth shaking event Biden is our nominee.

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Drunken Irishman

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28. Probably but at that point, MS is irrelevant.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

Any comeback path for Bernie starts with MI. Just as SC started Biden's. Even if Biden narrowly lost SC and claimed a good amount of delegates, losing would have ended his campaign too.

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honest.abe

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43. Yeah, that's probably correct, but I dont think he has a prayer of winning in Michigan either.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:15 PM
Mar 2020

The latest polling looks good for Biden and he's still riding momentum from ST. Not sure a 10+ percent loss in Michigan does him any good.

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pampango

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59. "Sanders has also said that if Biden has the delegate lead prior to the convention, that he should
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:08 PM
Mar 2020

be the nominee."

I had not heard that Sanders had said that but it is good news. The idea that a 'delegate lead' (a plurality) is conclusive is the way it should be, regardless of who has the 'delegate lead'.

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wiley

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60. People are focusing on decency and integrity. Biden is winning. Bernie just quit. We won't forget.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:58 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie's scurrying off to a state of any size after promising a rally for racial justice says I actually never cared at all about any voter unless I thought I could get their vote. Even if he wins Michigan - extremely unlikely at this point - he loses all standing amongst Democrats that will never forget his bared fangs of ambition that led him to discard a constituency adored by the party.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
29. So Bernie doesn't think he needs to even try to get our votes?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:53 PM
Mar 2020

And if Biden has a lock on the African-American vote, shouldn't Bernie give it up since we are a critical core of the party?

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Moderateguy

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30. Black voters are a lost cause to him
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:58 PM
Mar 2020

Holding a massive campaign rally in MS is not going to change that and his campaign realizes this. His only hope is that he can get a convincing win in Michigan--he needs momentum to be viable going forward. If he loses MI badly, he might as well not show up to the debate on the 15th

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StarfishSaver

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32. If black voters are a lost cause to him, maybe he should stop thinking he should be president
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020
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greenjar_01

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41. Lemme tell ya bout a little place called
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:12 PM
Mar 2020

Detroit.

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totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
40. He has been trying to get African American votes throughout the campaign.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020

But it has suddenly got to the point where he must choose his battles carefully. A loss in Michigan would probably finish him off for good so he has made the strategic decision to concentrate his resources there. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't want to continue to try to get the AA vote. It's just that Michigan is too important and he must pull out all of the stops there. And I'm sure the he will continue to welcome any and all votes from African Americans who are as you correctly indicated a very important part of the Democratic coalition.

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democrattotheend

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63. Aren't there also a lot of black voters in Michigan?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:24 PM
Mar 2020

I thought a lot of the UAW members are black.

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wiley

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33. Bernie cancels "a rally focused on racial justice"
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020

Not exactly the smartest move in any state. He also didn't show in Selma before he was trounced by women and African Americans on Super Tuesday. That's not a death spiral?

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
36. Interesting priorities. Not the decision that I would have made...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:08 PM
Mar 2020

Interesting priorities. Not the decision that I would have made... but then again, I'm not a Socialist who's running a lackluster campaign that's struggling to get support from AA and POC voters.

Looking at the newest and most recent polling data from Florida, it appears that Bernie won't even be a VIABLE candidate and may end up walking away with ZERO delegates. Of course the final count remains to be seen, but all I'm saying is that it's pretty clear that this is a lost cause and that Bernie should have a little dignity and bow out gracefully.

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totodeinhere

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44. It's interesting that just a few days ago he was the front runner for the nomination and the pundits
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:16 PM
Mar 2020

were wondering out loud if he could be stopped. Now suddenly he is a lost cause? What a rapid fall from grace. But since he has invested so much time and energy into his campaign I think that we can at least allow him to pursue his dream for a big longer. After all, there have been so many rapid twists and turns in this campaign that perhaps we should allow it to play out a bit longer just to be sure that there are no more surprises.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
53. "We can at least allow him to pursue his dream for a bit longer"
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:58 PM
Mar 2020

This is about voters and beating Trump, not catering to Bernie's dreams.

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squirecam

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57. He was never actually threatening to win until Nevada
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

People here tried to be blunt. Bernie had a ceiling. He was never going to get more than he had in 2016, which wasn’t enough even then.

As soon as it looked like Bernie might start to be a front runner, And win with 1/3 of the vote, Biden immediately shot up in South Carolina. And then Super Tuesday.

One of the candidates would have eventually gotten the same coalition. It was not going to be Bernie. For a multitude of reasons hashed out here for years.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
64. Well said
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:27 PM
Mar 2020

And it's not just about him. It's about all of us who haven't had the chance to vote yet.

I find it really funny that supporters of a candidate who was left for dead a week ago are now demanding that Bernie drop out and everyone fall in line before more than half the voters even get the chance to weigh in.

Like you said, there have been many twists and turns. FWIW, I wasn't planning on voting for Bernie this year but now I'm more than 50% likely to do so. In part because I'm angry about the demands that he drop out before a lot of us even get to vote, and because I want people in states even later than mine to get a say.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
79. New York
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:56 PM
Mar 2020

I think our primary is April 28.

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brooklynite

(94,635 posts)
58. Sort of like a retreat is described as a "strategic withdrawal"...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:00 PM
Mar 2020
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democrattotheend

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61. Hmm, I seem to remember Biden cancelling his New Hampshire election night rally
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:08 PM
Mar 2020

Which a lot of people thought was in poor taste, and it probably cost him votes in the state. But it paid off in the long run for him.

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TwilightZone

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4. Smart move.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020

He's going to lose MS, regardless. If he loses MI, it's going to be looking grim.

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NurseJackie

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37. Grim indeed. Have you seen the latest polling data from Florida? He's not even VIABLE there!!
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:09 PM
Mar 2020

Grim indeed. Have you seen the latest polling data from Florida? He's not even VIABLE there!! NEARLY FIFTY POINTS BEHIND BIDEN!!!

He even poll lower than someone who's not even in the race!!

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TwilightZone

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45. With Warren out, he might make it, if barely.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:18 PM
Mar 2020

If that poll is right, it would be close. 14% for Bloomberg, though, which would put Biden in the 70 range.

It's kind of funny - all of the emphasis is on the 140 or so delegates left to be awarded in CA, while 200+ could go to Biden just from Florida and it's so far a non-story. If other polls come out and back up the SPP one, it'll get some attention.

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TheCowsCameHome

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5. I guess he thinks nobody will notice.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020


Not good, Bern.
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Happy Hoosier

(7,344 posts)
7. He knows that if he loses MI, he is done.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020

Tactically, it's what he must do, but it's not a good look.

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empedocles

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15. Hope he knows he is done, if he loses Michigan. Doubt it though, he, and staff, must
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:26 PM
Mar 2020

know that BS lost California to election day [non early voters - mislead?] voters. If this get pounded down to voting masses - BS should be done.

Michigan allows corrected ballots. BS guess is not that many votes will be corrected/amended?

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msongs

(67,421 posts)
8. looks like he wants to avoid all those establishment working class dems lol nt
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Wonder if Gretchen Whitmer's endorsement of Biden today had anything to do with it?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020
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Submariner

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10. Will Biden make multiple trips to Wisconsin?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020

We lost it last time because I heard Hillary did not visit there, and they rightfully probably felt ignored. Can we win the right wing cheeseheads over, or does Trump have it locked in already?

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msongs

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18. dems stayed home in WI, like they did for supreme court race a few months back nt
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:30 PM
Mar 2020
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NurseJackie

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11. The population of Jackson, MS is 81.4% Black or African American, 16.4% White, and 1.14% Hispanic...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020

Hey google... what are the ethnic demographics of jackson mississippi?

The ethnic composition of the population of Jackson, MS is composed of 139k Black or African American Alone residents (81.4%), 27.9k White Alone residents (16.4%), 1.94k Hispanic or Latino residents (1.14%),


I guess the Sanders campaign learned a (humiliating) lesson that one time when he held a rally in North Charleston, SC... a majority black city, in a majority black neighborhood, in an historically black church's community multipurpose room... and it turned out that those in attendance were whiter than the demographics of Vermont. He was completely REBUKED and SNUBBED by the AA and POC community... even though he was right there in their own district/city/neighborhood/church, they wanted NOTHING to do with him.

I'll be he's still stinging over that, and didn't want a replay of the same thing in Jackson, MS.
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nolabear

(41,987 posts)
13. Mississippi might surprise you.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020

Yeah, 45 will take it in the general, sadly, but the popular vote might shock some people. The minority population in MS is YUGE.

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democrattotheend

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65. If any candidate could have won it, it was Obama
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:31 PM
Mar 2020

He got a huge black turnout and a higher share of the black vote than any Dem before or after him in recent years. He got 43% in MS in 2008, but he didn't even campaign there, because he knew he'd never get that additional 7%. The white vote there is so heavily Republican that it puts the state out of reach no matter how high the black turnout.

If Biden can get the same turnout and percentage of the black vote, I suppose he could theoretically have a chance, because he'll probably get a little more of the white vote than Obama did. But I don't see him or any white Democrat getting the same turnout or percentage of the black vote as Obama did. They say Hillary lost because the black vote wasn't as high, but her percentages and turnout among black voters was comparable to Gore and Kerry. Obama's was extraordinary, and it made a difference.

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Demsrule86

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17. Good luck with that...Sander's record on the auto bailout is spotty at best...he voted against
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:29 PM
Mar 2020

the rescue bill Bush wanted and the autos were only saved by Bush using Tarp money...He also didn't vote to release the money either...the excuse was he as against bailout...it was not really pushed before but this time the truth will out.

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democrattotheend

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66. That was before 2016
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:32 PM
Mar 2020

And he still won Michigan in 2016. I think most voters there would have preferred no need for a bailout that probably wouldn't have been necessary but for NAFTA.

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Demsrule86

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72. Hillary didn't go after Bernie much...you can bet it will be an issue this time...had Bush not
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:18 PM
Mar 2020

pulled the auto money out of TARP, the autos would have gone under. And Sanders didn't lift a finger or cast a vote to stop it.

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grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
20. He skipped Selma and now this?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:34 PM
Mar 2020
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
70. His relationship to Black voters seem to be transactional.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:48 PM
Mar 2020

He appears if it looks like they support him, otherwise he finds other things to do.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. He's adhering to a pragmatic tactic.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:36 PM
Mar 2020

Investing more time, effort and money in the south simply to pick up a few additional percentage points in what will most likely be (all things being equal) another stunning series of losses would be an absurd decision.

He's using his resources where he believes those resources will be net him more benefit than cost.

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Jarqui

(10,128 posts)
26. That's a concession that even the Sanders campaign realizes
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:51 PM
Mar 2020

the pickle they are in with black voters (-41%)

On March 10th
Sanders will probably win Idaho & North Dakota as he did so in 2016.
They'll be offset by a significant loss in Mississippi where Biden will probably clobber Bernie.

Washington state is a caucus that Bernie did well in 2016 but I'm not so sure of this time around - I'm not clear if the rules changed. Hillary won the primary vote that did not seem to count but Bernie cleaned up caucus delegates. I doubt it will be that easy this time. Voting has been going on by mail for some time which should help Sanders. I'd guess the edge is with Sanders here but I'm, not sure how much the primary vote means this time around.

Missouri was a competitive state in 2016 that Hillary edged out. Bloomberg & Buttigieg did better than Sanders there while all were behind or well behind Biden. Looks good for Joe here.

Michigan looks somewhat competitive. Bernie won the state by 4 delegates in 2016. Biden has led every poll but one and that one was when Bloomberg had 11% support - in 3rd place. In the two recent polls, if you give all of Warren to Sanders and all of Bloomberg, Buttigieg & Klobuchar to Biden, Biden wins handily. I'd say it's a contest that Biden has the upper hand on.

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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
27. This is similar to what he did in 2016.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:51 PM
Mar 2020

He didn't seriously contest the southern states after losing badly in South Carolina. As a result, Hillary ran up enormous margins in those states, and picked up a big delegate lead.

In 2008 Hillary was losing those states badly, but she fought for every last vote. People gave her a hard time about the caucuses, but at least she kept pursuing the southern states and the African-American vote right up to the end. Not even the media swift boating of her would prevent her from trying her best to win their support until the last dog died.

And in 2016 Hillary carefully studied the 2008 race and made improvements. The media has since written that out of the history books, but she was widely recognized as having done so during the primaries. Bernie, by contrast, has repeated some of his biggest mistakes.

I do want to be fair so I will acknowledge that Bernie has dramatically improved his standing in the Latino community. That was his big success in this race. And it speaks highly of Hillary that she was able to dominate the Latino vote against a candidate who has shown in this election that he is more than capable of building strong support among them.

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RandySF

(58,982 posts)
31. I'm so glad we have the NYT around to tell us there is no working class in Mississippi.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:01 PM
Mar 2020
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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
34. You didn't know Mississippi is full of black oligarchs taking advantage of the white working class?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:04 PM
Mar 2020
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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
46. As I jokingly said in another thread...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:19 PM
Mar 2020

black voters in SC will be thrilled to learn that they're suddenly rich and powerful.

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sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
35. Signs of the wheels coming off when you have to start firefighting like this.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:06 PM
Mar 2020
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greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
38. Ooooof
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

It's over, Johnny.

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Undecided
 

RandySF

(58,982 posts)
39. Bernie's making a mistake.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

If Joe sweeps MS. and at least keeps it close in MI, hes going to have another good night.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
48. +1...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:32 PM
Mar 2020

It’s all about math now, and the math isn’t in Bernie’s favour.

Let’s say Bernie puts maximum effort into MI and miraculously beat Biden by 10%. He maybe nets a +10 or +12 in delegates.

But in abandoning MS, he gets trounced like he did in AL, by 50 points. Biden nets out +18 or +20.

Bernie has a feel-good victory but falls further behind in the delegate count.

Sid

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Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
42. Sanders is going full spoiler here.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:12 PM
Mar 2020

Stacking the deck in MI in order to bolster his claim that only he can win in one of the big swing states.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
47. Not really a spoiler role. It's more like a last push.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:25 PM
Mar 2020

If he loses MI, it's hard to see him making any kind of run, especially if he gets blown out in Florida.

He's "stacking the deck" in Michigan because he has no choice. It's either pull that out or likely start planning his summer vacation.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
74. He's going negative.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:28 PM
Mar 2020

That's a problem.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
76. Agreed.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:32 PM
Mar 2020

His "nobody can stop us" tweet really riled some people up, and I don't think he understands that that might have been a catalyst.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
73. Yep. 2016 redux.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:27 PM
Mar 2020
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zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
49. First Selma and now Mississippi. What is up with Bernie? n/t
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:35 PM
Mar 2020
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MineralMan

(146,319 posts)
50. Sanders can't win in Mississippi, but might in Michigan, maybe.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:39 PM
Mar 2020

That's the calculation he's making. It's sad, though, since he is basically writing off the AA vote by skipping MS for MI.

There is an AA vote in Michigan, too, though. It's a lose-lose decision he's making.

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Happy Hoosier

(7,344 posts)
52. I agree overall. It's a desperation move.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:53 PM
Mar 2020

But one he has to make

If he loses MS, even big, the narrative is he was expected to lose big there.

It isn't all that likely going to MI will make much more difference than a handful of delegates, But the narrative if he wins is that he is still in it, whereas if he loses, the narrative is he's finished.

I have to admit, if Biden wins MI and really finishes Sanders, it will be one of the most shocking turnarounds in history.

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MineralMan

(146,319 posts)
54. It's Hobson's Choice for Bernie Sanders
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:04 PM
Mar 2020

Both decisions are sketchy and likely to backfire. One, though, is certain to backfire. The other might be a little less likely to backfire.

So, he's heading for Michigan and showing his back to Mississippi. Odds are he's going to lose in both of them at this point. Biden's momentum and local support in Michigan at this point is probably strong enough to give him the win. Without multiple active candidates, it has become a binary choice for voters there.

I don't see a good outcome for Bernie in this, either way.

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Happy Hoosier

(7,344 posts)
55. Ayup.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:07 PM
Mar 2020

One of my Bernie supporting friends messaged me: "He sounds confident, but he's scared. He knows this is it."

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
71. Biden needs to hit Michigan at least once more before Tuesday.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:55 PM
Mar 2020

Even though he is ahead in MS, he needs to visit or do a tele event there.

The goal should be to cut off all paths of retreat for Sanders and basically end this thing on Tuesday. After Hillary smashed Sanders in NY and other states that voted that day, she went home for a week instead of to Indiana where she was leading in polls, Sanders used Indiana to resuscitate his campaign.

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Gothmog

(145,413 posts)
67. So sanders is giving up on Mississippi?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:37 PM
Mar 2020
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
69. So, Sanders gave southern Black people another stiff-arm.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:40 PM
Mar 2020

The tone deafness of his campaign is astounding, him shunning Blacks in Mississippi is going to cause Blacks in places like Detroit and Lansing Michigan to turn out to bury his campaign.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
75. So, he's going to his base lol.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:29 PM
Mar 2020

Midwest white people.

Dayum, but that sounds familiar...

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LisaM

(27,815 posts)
77. He should still go to Mississippi, maybe in the nature of a listening tour.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:35 PM
Mar 2020

I think that would be really good optics - hey, I know I'm probably not going to get your votes, but I'd love to hear what you say, and what your concerns are.

Isn't Mississippi one of the most poverty-stricken states in the nation, also? What are the optics of ignoring a poor state for one that's more relatively affluent?

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