Here is the ad Sanders is running in Illinois. Is this helping us beat Trump?

[ucrdem]

Source: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/04/sanders-kicks-new-phase-campaign-ad-blitz-challenging-biden-march-primary-states

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[Cha]

1. I can't watch but I can imagine..

been dealing with a lot crap and I need to see something positive.

[ucrdem]

10. This is negative.

Very negative. Here's how Common Dreams describes it:

A Sanders advertisement titled "Protect Social Security" swipes at Biden for his record on not only that social safety net program, but also Medicare and Medicaid. The ad features audio of the former vice president recalling his argument for a federal spending freeze, followed by Sanders saying: "Well, we've got some bad news for them. We are not gonna cut Social Security. We are gonna expand benefits."

Apparently he's running it all 4 March 17 states: Arizona, Florida, Illinois, and Ohio.

Helpful isn't it?

p.s. hang in there Cha!

[Cha]

15. We Need Bloomberg's Ads and We Need Them Now!

And, Team Biden.. the Voters and I trust Joe Biden not that other guy.

I knew it would be very negative.. if I want to see that kind of smear.. I can listen to the Impeached45.. but I don't.

Hanging in there.. got back from Costco.. the cupboards were almost bare and they were spraying sanitizers on the cart handles.. just another day in the Global Pandemic Crisis.

[RandySF]

2. Nope

It accomplishes nothing but drive negatives up for both.

[showblue22]

3. It's deceptive.

It was during a time SS was about to be dismantled. Republicans had control and it looked like it was going to happen. Biden was negotiating cuts instead of total removal.

Bernie has no path, at this point he is helping Trump and there is no other way to look at it. People need to stop giving him the benefit of doubt. Ask yourself... what are his true intentions?

[ucrdem]

12. Thank you!

I knew there had to be an explanation. This is oppo research at its worst and unworthy of a Democratic primary.

[showblue22]

14. Biden chose to get down and dirty to compromise

In order to get something done that would help people. Bernie chose to keep his hands clean and not help.

[dansolo]

25. That's his M.O.

He sits on the sidelines complaining instead of doing things that actually help people. And if he were somehow become President and none of his plans got passed, I'm sure that he would place the blame on everyone but himself.

[Cha]

20. BS is on record doing the same.. Biden should air these tweets..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287440020

[Gothmog]

60. Thank you for posting some facts

sanders is attacking Joe for something that sanders is guilty of

[Cha]

62. Yeah, and I hope the Biden Team calls him

on it. TY Goth

[former9thward]

42. When was this?

I did a google search and could find nothing even remotely close to what you are describing.

[LizBeth]

4. Meh, a different time.Something Biden will have to address and reassure like he has recently.

Biden can handle this.

[Skittles]

5. gawd, make it stop

it's like BS learned NOTHING from 2016

[Julian English]

6. Not progressive. Trumpish in its deceitfulness.

Typical of BS personal ambition over national unity.

BS needs to face reality.

[Thekaspervote]

7. Seems to me this kind of crap is one of the things driving voters away from sanders!

[True Blue American]

31. It is for me!

The more I see the more turned off I am.

[TreasonousBastard]

41. And driving voters away from voting.

[Julian English]

8. It just needs the tag line, "I'm Donald J. Trump and I approve of this ad."

Or maybe have Putin approve the add.

[trueblue2007]

9. YOU ARE SO CORRECT, and it makes me sick. it is total bull

[ucrdem]

13. Yes, easily recycled for November.

I'll give them credit for eco-awareness.

[betsuni]

11. The Revisionist History channel.

[Cha]

21. Heh.. remember this..?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287440020

[betsuni]

23. Yes I do!

[Cha]

24. Yeah.. better not to use

our words.

[Midnight Writer]

16. This just hurts Sanders.

Kind of like upending the chessboard when you realize you're losing.

Can he not find something negative about Trump to campaign on?

[Cha]

17. Biden's massive Victories stand in his way.

[samnsara]

29. ..you would think, huh...?

...nothing about trump* could warrant an ad?

[comradebillyboy]

43. Sanders always attacks Democrats. Democrats are his enemy.

They always have been. Trump, however, says nice things about Sanders.

[NanceGreggs]

18. I didn't vote "not helpful" ...

… because that is far too kind a description of this kind of bullshit.

Bernie is no longer attacking a political rival for the nomination – he is attacking the man who he knows will be our candidate. And if he doesn’t know that by now, he’s delusional.

Bernie began his campaign attacking the party who gave him a spot on our ticket. He went on to label everyone who didn’t support him as “establishment Dems” or “corporate Dems’, both labels meant to belittle and demean.

Even back in 2016, I saw Bernie as the snake who would bite us in the end – and he did it then, and he’s doing it again.

“Feel the Bern” was never about a revolution against injustice or inequality as much as it was about Bernie being elevated to the position of power he has always felt entitled to. And just like Trump, Bernie has always played to his base without any regard to those ‘outcasts’ who refuse to drink his particular flavour of kool-aid.

It was inevitable that “Feel the Bern” would become ‘burn it all down” if the primaries didn’t go Bernie’s way – and the ad you’ve posted is the proof thereof.

[Cha]

19. So true.. every word.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287440020

[MH1]

46. "Feel the Bern" always sounded violently triumphalist to me

I did vote for BS in the primary in 2016, because I have a very late primary and it was down to him and Hillary. I thought at that time, BS had a better chance of beating Trump in November. I still think that but it doesn't matter, I supported Hillary and BEGGED the BS supporters I knew to back her, once she was the nominee. Some of them were complete shitheads about it. Which I'll admit is part of my strong aversion to BS this time. A strong leader would have done a better job turning his followers to support the actual nominee. Failing to do that helped ensure that my worst fears about Hillary were realized. (And her losing to Trump WAS my worst fear about her.)

But I always hated "Feel the Bern". It's a horrible slogan that is more like "we will beat your ass and raise our flag on your motionless body". Hardly the progressive philosophy I was raised with. Kind of spits on all our previous models of non-violence like Gandhi, MLK, and Mandela. (Kind of ironic when the same "feel the Bern" types complain about other politico's supposed "war-mongering'. Where do they think war comes from?)

[blue-wave]

22. So Sorry Bernie

I voted early in one of the March 17th states and my vote is for Joe Biden!! Not for your smarmy campaign stunts.

Go Joe Go!!

[Hav]

26. "Is this helping us beat Trump?"

Last edited Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:34 AM - Edit history (1)

We know BS' character and motivations. Beating Trump has never ever been BS' priority and he hires people who similarly couldn't care less about beating Trump.

At least we now know that the benevolent interpretations of his recent speech with his questions for Biden were not warranted. They gave BS too much credit. He has no interest in a productive dialogue and maybe work together with Biden to achieve some of his goals, he doesn't want to prepare his followers for unity, he doesn't want to set up the party for a successful general election. That is why gets nothing done in a nutshell.
Hopefully, the current polls are accurate and Biden's lead will almost double next Tuesday. Sure, BS will likely remain in the race as long as he can dupe his followers into sending more money with misleading statements and lies but he'll get more and more irrelevant.

Also, it's such a dishonest tactic to claim Biden advocated for something for 40 years because the first time something was said was 40 years ago while in contradiction to that there is a proven effort by Biden to save these systems. That's like claiming BS has been writing rape fantasies for almost 50 years.

[True Blue American]

32. What does Bernie

Hope to accomplish?

[Hav]

36. It doesn't make sense from a pragmatic

or political point of view and it doesn't make sense looking at it from the perspective of Democrats.
But then again, it's this attitude why BS hasn't accomplished anything after decades in Congress.

[True Blue American]

37. For sure

I am nothing but pragmatic.

I just checked to make sure my voting Precinct has not changed. It hasn’t. At my Church, Happy Corners. It is almost across the street from me.

Bernie has gone from a Revolution to an embarrassment. He has his wife in his Ads. She bankrupted a College!

[comradebillyboy]

44. Four more years of Trump will hasten the revolution

don't you know?

[True Blue American]

47. It just might!

No sarcasm here!

[comradebillyboy]

48. Yeah the revolution that make Trump dictator for life...

[True Blue American]

49. Scarey!

[samnsara]

27. that other candidate is a sneaky rat....

[IluvPitties]

34. Yes.

[samnsara]

28. i wont watch propaganda

[snowybirdie]

30. Same AD

running in Florida. I mute it every time I see it. Shame on Bernie!

[Vivienne235729]

33. This is why I do not like Bernie. He has no chance of winning the nomination

And yet he still has ads like this playing. I have a real problem w people who carry the water for the GOP and pretend they are a progressive.

[comradebillyboy]

45. He wants to repeat his scorched earth campaign of 2016.

If he can't win he will burn the house down.

[FloridaBlues]

35. Same ad playing here but joe has a counter ad to it

[ucrdem]

39. Glad to hear that!

If I find it I'll post a link

[ucrdem]

38. Another current Sanders ad, called "Decimated," this one on NAFTA:

[George II]

40. Davis Sirota has tweeted a video of that hundreds of times, I'm not exaggerating...

He tweets it, then 10-15 minutes later retweets it, dozens of times a day and he's been doing it for weeks.

[Gothmog]

50. sanders has also called for cuts to social security

This is not a good issue for sanders when sanders is guilty of the exact same conduct in the real world

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[KPN]

53. Nope. Sanders' statements are not even close to comparable or equal. Read the stuiff you posted.

[Gothmog]

57. You are wrong

I read the material and the key is that I-understood the material

[KPN]

61. Oh please. You understand what you choose to

understand apparently. There’s a term for that.

[Gothmog]

64. Read the material posted

The material is clear. sanders wanted to cut social security and is guilty of the same crime that he is accusing Biden of.

sanders' ad was called out for being false. There is a pattern here

[Happy Hoosier]

51. Completely deceptive. NT

[PubliusEnigma]

52. Bernie is the Black Knight.

[comradebillyboy]

55. What respectable Democrat would agree to be his running mate

at this point in the campaign. Seems to me it would be political suicide.

[Hoyt]

54. It's absolute BS, and not helpful to winning in Nov. But I'm sure trump supporters appreciate it.

[Doodley]

56. Sanders gives Trump cover to cut Social Security. He gives reasons

not to vote Democrat. He damages the man who will win the Democratic nomination. He helps Trump to win again. This is despicable. Talk about a sore loser, he takes sore losing into the gutter.

[BlueIdaho]

58. I don't even think that's Joe's voice

Or a direct quote from VP Biden. This is toxic poisonous bullshit. If this is what Bernies “revolution” looks like, I REALLY want nothing to do with it.

[Gothmog]

59. I love Joe's ad in response to sanders' lies

Link to tweet

[Cha]

63. Awesome Ad! Maybe make this an OP, Goth! Damn.. Joe Biden is a Winner!

Link to tweet

Thank YOU! Retweeted!

[Gothmog]

65. I did post a thread about this ad

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287643261

[Cha]

66. Thank you! I had Rec it but

hadn't posted on it.. must have had to got catch a bus or something..

Now I've bookmarked it and posted and will continue to do so.