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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:08 PM Apr 2020

"Because of the delegates behind Biden..."

NO. It was the voters who chose. Just admit it for a change. It will help your supporters heal and face reality.

And everything isn't corrupt just because they didn't choose you. "a corrupt campaign finance system" Will we ever get to see your reconciliations?

It's so nice he quit, but this speech was just unnecessarily inflammatory. Again. Now we have Trump saying mail-in voting is corrupt.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"Because of the delegates behind Biden..." (Original Post) R B Garr Apr 2020 OP
It's all about the Bernie, Bernie, Bernie....n/t zackymilly Apr 2020 #1
yes it was long and.. i thought.... full of dog whistles samnsara Apr 2020 #2
IOW.. nothing new. Cha Apr 2020 #21
I'm not surprised, hanging on to the bitter end, even after he ended it. George II Apr 2020 #3
Bernie's end is bitter, as is evident, just as it was bitter when he finally dropped out in 2016. onetexan Apr 2020 #8
Always "consistent" .. even when Cha Apr 2020 #22
He will never accept that the electorate did not want a revolution GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #4
Thirty yeas in congress and did he ever try to reform the campaign finance system? Not... TreasonousBastard Apr 2020 #5
He SAID: there is no path forward. That Biden is the presumptive nominee. That any delegates ancianita Apr 2020 #6
I heard what he SAID. Note that nothing in your own interpretations talks about VOTERS. R B Garr Apr 2020 #9
He didn't SAY evil cabal of delegates. You did. He has to thank, review their influence in the US, ancianita Apr 2020 #10
Still no mention of VOTERS. That is the point. It looks like you are the one making things up. R B Garr Apr 2020 #12
He was speaking to his voters. His voters. He told them to unify behind who he supports now -- Biden ancianita Apr 2020 #14
He was still pushing his brand of "rigged" nonsense. That's the point. R B Garr Apr 2020 #16
Thank you for explaining that so well and patiently.. Cha Apr 2020 #23
Those Delegates, Sir, Were Elected by VOTERS, Who Did Not Want 'Bernie' As President The Magistrate Apr 2020 #7
It would behoove you, Sir, to remember the basic fact that no delegates were on the ballot. ancianita Apr 2020 #11
You Do Understand How Things Work, Do You Not? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #13
That Bernie was on the ballot, and the delegates were not is also not rocket surgery. ancianita Apr 2020 #15
No offense, but you seem to be the one "twisting" R B Garr Apr 2020 #17
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #20
Candidates and their delegates are both on the ballot. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #18
+++thank you, Magistrate. Great post. There was simply no reason to bring up delegates. R B Garr Apr 2020 #19
Yeah, BS knows better.. ".. delegates.. " is Cha Apr 2020 #24
There were delegates on my ballot. murielm99 Apr 2020 #26
Because of THE VOTERS BEHIND BIDEN in these states.. Cha Apr 2020 #25
Man, why can't they just stop. Afromania Apr 2020 #27
Sanders seriously has NO respect for those who don't gather behind him. Hortensis Apr 2020 #28
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
1. It's all about the Bernie, Bernie, Bernie....n/t
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,604 posts)
2. yes it was long and.. i thought.... full of dog whistles
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,824 posts)
21. IOW.. nothing new.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:43 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. I'm not surprised, hanging on to the bitter end, even after he ended it.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
8. Bernie's end is bitter, as is evident, just as it was bitter when he finally dropped out in 2016.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:17 PM
Apr 2020

The man is a bitter man. Selfish people get bitter when things don't go their way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,824 posts)
22. Always "consistent" .. even when
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:44 AM
Apr 2020

a change is needed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

GeorgiaPeanut

(360 posts)
4. He will never accept that the electorate did not want a revolution
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:12 PM
Apr 2020

after 4 years of a clusterfuck by Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. Thirty yeas in congress and did he ever try to reform the campaign finance system? Not...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:13 PM
Apr 2020

just bluster and scribbling a bill that would never get to committee, but really try for reform.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
6. He SAID: there is no path forward. That Biden is the presumptive nominee. That any delegates
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:15 PM
Apr 2020

gained are to be used as progressive leverage in the party platform.

THAT'S IT.

Do not see what isn't there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
9. I heard what he SAID. Note that nothing in your own interpretations talks about VOTERS.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:17 PM
Apr 2020

Just admit that VOTERS were his downfall, not some imaginary evil cabal of delegates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
10. He didn't SAY evil cabal of delegates. You did. He has to thank, review their influence in the US,
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:25 PM
Apr 2020

explain how there is no path forward, no delegate leverage except to help write the platform, and then turn them over to Biden in the first vote round of the DNC.

Don't make up what you KNOW he meant.

We've been through a Bernie loss before.

Stop fussing. This will be his last rodeo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
12. Still no mention of VOTERS. That is the point. It looks like you are the one making things up.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

VOTERS rejected Bernie. His implications about delegates match all the other sinister implications about "rigged" elections, so it's obvious what he means. It's obvious he can't bring himself to admit that voters rejected him. There is no need to inject inflammatory aspersions about "delegates" as if they are rigged against him. VOTERS chose. The sooner he admits that, the better for his supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
14. He was speaking to his voters. His voters. He told them to unify behind who he supports now -- Biden
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:38 PM
Apr 2020

Stop demanding more.

Your demands that he say what you want are divisive at a time we now need to unify by convention time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
16. He was still pushing his brand of "rigged" nonsense. That's the point.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

He can't admit that voters rejected him. The delegates were only assigned on the basis of what VOTERS chose. To ignore that and blame it on "delegates" is what is divisive. See The Magistrate's post No. 13.

I was repeating Sanders words -- those were the words that were divisive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,824 posts)
23. Thank you for explaining that so well and patiently..
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:51 AM
Apr 2020

it's amazing to me how some don't get what he's doing. It's so obvious after all these years.

But, hey.. it didn't work again and for that we can we grateful.

Look what he's doing here..

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287701849

Mahalo, RB~StaySafe

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
7. Those Delegates, Sir, Were Elected by VOTERS, Who Did Not Want 'Bernie' As President
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:15 PM
Apr 2020

The man really should get basic facts like that through his head, if he means to be a positive influence and assist in the overthrow of the cheap thug Trump.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
11. It would behoove you, Sir, to remember the basic fact that no delegates were on the ballot.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:28 PM
Apr 2020

Bernie was.

The argument is specious and now "played out," as the young say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
13. You Do Understand How Things Work, Do You Not?
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:35 PM
Apr 2020

When people cast votes in a primary, they are selecting delegates to the Party's convention. In some states they may be listed as a separate ballot line, with their allegiance noted. In any case, voters send delegates to the convention bound to vote for a specific candidate on the first ballot. Mr. Biden has a much larger number of delegates than Sanders because because a great many voters wanted him to be President, rather than Sanders. A vote for any candidate is necessarily a vote against any other candidates or candidate.

This is not rocket surgery.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
15. That Bernie was on the ballot, and the delegates were not is also not rocket surgery.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:40 PM
Apr 2020

Don't get things twisted.

Everything you've said here is exactly what Bernie spoke to.

Voting in primaries, yes, is voting against as much as for. You make a distinction without any meaning now that we must move forward in unity.

Sir.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
17. No offense, but you seem to be the one "twisting"
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:45 PM
Apr 2020

Bernie didn't mention that voters rejected him. He brought up "delegates behind Biden" because his smears against delegates is part of his anti-establishment platform. Voters rejected Bernie soundly. Time for him to tell his supporters that voters decided and quit using his anti-establishment crutches. It's not honest and definitely not needed at this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
20. Thank You, Ma'am
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:47 PM
Apr 2020

It is an inescapable conclusion that a portion of Sanders; supporters know little about politics and public affairs.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
18. Candidates and their delegates are both on the ballot.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
19. +++thank you, Magistrate. Great post. There was simply no reason to bring up delegates.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM
Apr 2020

It was about the voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,824 posts)
24. Yeah, BS knows better.. ".. delegates.. " is
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:55 AM
Apr 2020

is one of his buzz words. he knows, his supporters know. and we know it.

Thank you, for shining the Light on it!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

murielm99

(30,715 posts)
26. There were delegates on my ballot.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:39 AM
Apr 2020

There were delegates for Biden, Pete, Warren, Sanders and some others.

I voted for four Biden delegates and for Biden. That is how we do it in my state. The delegates have to circulate petitions just like any other candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,824 posts)
25. Because of THE VOTERS BEHIND BIDEN in these states..
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:20 AM
Apr 2020
Joe Biden Winning in South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, Illinois, Arizona, Michigan, Maine, Massachusetts, Washington, Virginia,& Minnesota.. so far..

ETA~
Take the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, which Biden won, or the 10 of 14 states he captured on Super Tuesday: In all, he appealed to the same coalitions that boosted Democrats so strongly in the 2018 midterm elections, turning out large numbers of suburban voters, while maintaining support from longstanding elements of the Democratic coalition, particularly African American voters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/why-did-bernie-sanders-drop-out-progressive-majority-he-needed-ncna1179571
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
27. Man, why can't they just stop.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:17 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Sanders seriously has NO respect for those who don't gather behind him.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 08:29 AM
Apr 2020

Worse because we're the problem, never the solution.

And I feel sure he has little if any for his own supporters who buy whatever he tells them instead of sharing his own true views and goals. He's famous for disrespecting anyone who disagrees even slightly, and what would he except them for?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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