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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:32 AM Apr 2019

Bernie Sanders: Here's what has to change in South Carolina and the nation



(snip)

These dynamics have reached crisis levels in South Carolina, where public schools lag behind national averages in reading, writing and job preparedness. Many schools are racially segregated, and magnet and charter schools are drawing resources and high-performing students away. Meanwhile, amid cuts in funding for school programs, one in five children in South Carolina is going without meals.

This year, the situation has become an emergency. The start of school saw a 16 percent increase in unfilled teacher vacancies, and teacher pay was well below the national average. Adding insult to injury, under President Trump’s new budget, South Carolina would lose $28 million of grants to help high-poverty schools boost teacher salaries. Overall, South Carolina’s public education system would lose roughly $246 million under the Trump budget, denying 14,000 students access to after-school programs.

(snip)

What’s truly shameful is that last year, South Carolina spent $11,552 on average per student, while spending $21,756 on average per prison inmate – nearly twice as much. It makes absolutely no sense that Republican leaders in South Carolina, and other parts of the country, would invest more in keeping people in prison than in keeping them in school.

(snip)

I will also work to reform our broken criminal justice system. Right now, we are spending $80 billion a year to lock up 2.2 millions people, hundreds of thousands of whom have not been convicted of a crime and are solely in jail because they can't afford their bail. We are criminalizing poverty. And because of the historical legacy of racism in this country, we are disproportionately criminalizing people of color.

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https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/opinion/2019/04/18/bernie-sanders-heres-what-has-change-south-carolina-and-nation/3495182002/


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Bernie Sanders: Here's what has to change in South Carolina and the nation (Original Post) Uncle Joe Apr 2019 OP
This is a really poor comparison. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #1
Why is it a poor comparison? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #4
To be fair we are taking care of an inmate 24/7 vs 8 hours 5 days per week dsc Apr 2019 #5
Then reducing our world leading prison population by ending the "war on drugs," justice reform Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #7
I agree we have too many prisoners dsc Apr 2019 #8
If you have fewer prisoners, then it goes to follow you need fewer prisons and guards, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #9
you still would be spending more per individual prisoner than individual student dsc Apr 2019 #10
No it would change, Bernie didn't make that statement in a vacuum. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #12
Love the reply. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #6
Thanks for another excellent post Uncle Joe. With progressive policies like these... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #2
Thank you InAbLuEsTaTe. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #3
More pandering to black voters BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #11
Lol. As opposed to writing it? Is this a Poe? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #14
LOL is RIGHT!!! Couldn't stop laughing!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #26
Do you mean the 1994 Crime Bill that Joe Biden wrote? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #15
Joe doesn't pander and chase photo-ops nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #19
Speaking to the people about the issues and policies you support isn't pandering, it's called Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #20
When someone consistently ignores the existence BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #21
Maybe not right now but he will if he ever decide to announce he's running and starts chasing Autumn Apr 2019 #22
Joe will campaign on issues he has always championed BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #23
One of the chief complaints about Bernie is that his speeches are always the same. Autumn Apr 2019 #24
Today's was different BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #25
Actually that's not a new epiphany, he's been hitting that note for some time now. nt Autumn Apr 2019 #27
Yeah here was his "sudden epiphany" Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #28
At least he actually mentioned the racism this time Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #13
Can we count on your support then? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #16
I voted for him in the '16 Va. Primaries, bro Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #18
++++ loyalsister Apr 2019 #17
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
1. This is a really poor comparison.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019
What’s truly shameful is that last year, South Carolina spent $11,552 on average per student, while spending $21,756 on average per prison inmate – nearly twice as much. It makes absolutely no sense that Republican leaders in South Carolina, and other parts of the country, would invest more in keeping people in prison than in keeping them in school.


I get why he does it. He is tailoring his message toward a certain segment. I'm sure others do similar things.

It's great that he is hitting on these topics. Most all of our contenders are addressing these issues in a very good way. I would really like to see one of them take on Jim Webb as an adviser for criminal justice reform.



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Uncle Joe

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4. Why is it a poor comparison?
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:03 PM
Apr 2019
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dsc

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5. To be fair we are taking care of an inmate 24/7 vs 8 hours 5 days per week
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:06 PM
Apr 2019

so the inmate should be some what more expensive.

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Uncle Joe

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7. Then reducing our world leading prison population by ending the "war on drugs," justice reform
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:29 PM
Apr 2019

and investing in education to give the impoverished, rural areas and the middle class better opportunities, greater choice and in effect more freedom would reduce the need for more prisons along with 24/7 guards, would it not?

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dsc

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8. I agree we have too many prisoners
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:21 PM
Apr 2019

but no matter how many we actually have, the cost per prisoner will likely be higher than that of a year of high school education.

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Uncle Joe

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9. If you have fewer prisoners, then it goes to follow you need fewer prisons and guards,
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:40 PM
Apr 2019

so the the monies saved from that could be redirected toward education.

Step back from the tree and look at the forest.

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dsc

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10. you still would be spending more per individual prisoner than individual student
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:47 PM
Apr 2019

less money divided by fewer people keeps the average amount spent roughly the same.

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Uncle Joe

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12. No it would change, Bernie didn't make that statement in a vacuum.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:03 PM
Apr 2019

Increasing teacher pay for one would help close that gap.




Across this country, teachers have been on strike because they are badly underpaid. They lack basic supplies, work in rundown classrooms, and their professional expertise is undermined by excessive standardized testing that takes the joy out of learning. Far too many are leaving the profession entirely.

(snip)

This year, the situation has become an emergency. The start of school saw a 16 percent increase in unfilled teacher vacancies, and teacher pay was well below the national average. Adding insult to injury, under President Trump’s new budget, South Carolina would lose $28 million of grants to help high-poverty schools boost teacher salaries. Overall, South Carolina’s public education system would lose roughly $246 million under the Trump budget, denying 14,000 students access to after-school programs.

This endemic lack of investment in teachers, public schools, and educational opportunity is particularly acute in rural communities. Kids are starting kindergarten without basic skills: Some do not know how to recite the alphabet or spell their own names.

(snip)

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/opinion/2019/04/18/bernie-sanders-heres-what-has-change-south-carolina-and-nation/3495182002/



Having said that the average is not so important as the humanitarian shift in policies in total dollars spent.

We can either keep funneling our tax dollar monies to a 21st century form of slavery which in turn has a dampening effect on wages of free Americans or help our fellow Americans rise while making our nation stronger as whole.



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WeekiWater

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6. Love the reply.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:08 PM
Apr 2019

Out. Of. The. Park.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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2. Thanks for another excellent post Uncle Joe. With progressive policies like these...
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:41 AM
Apr 2019

there will be no stoppin the people's revolution that Bernie has started. It's little wonder Bernie continues to gain in popularity by the day.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Uncle Joe

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3. Thank you InAbLuEsTaTe.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:10 AM
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BlueFlorida

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11. More pandering to black voters
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:03 PM
Apr 2019

by a man who voted for the 1994 crime bill.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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14. Lol. As opposed to writing it? Is this a Poe?
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:09 PM
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InAbLuEsTaTe

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26. LOL is RIGHT!!! Couldn't stop laughing!!!
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:39 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Uncle Joe

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15. Do you mean the 1994 Crime Bill that Joe Biden wrote?
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:11 PM
Apr 2019


Biden 1994 Crime Bill
Sponsored by Representative Jack Brooks of Texas, the bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden of Delaware and then was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton. ... The bill also required states to establish registries for sexual offenders by September 1997.
Public law: Pub.L. 103–322
Long title: An Act to Control and Prevent Crime
Enacted by: the 103rd United States Congress
U.S.C. sections created: 42 U.S.C. ch. 136
Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act
Search for: Biden 1994 Crime Bill



Apparently this hasn't stopped you from supporting him, why is that?
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BlueFlorida

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19. Joe doesn't pander and chase photo-ops nt
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:14 PM
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Uncle Joe

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20. Speaking to the people about the issues and policies you support isn't pandering, it's called
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:19 PM
Apr 2019

campaigning, of course as Biden isn't actually running I can understand your confusion.

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BlueFlorida

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21. When someone consistently ignores the existence
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 07:17 PM
Apr 2019

of social and racial injustice, focusing only on economic justice for years ... and then suddenly wakes up in an early Southern state to talk about social and racial justice .... it fits the definition of pandering.

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Autumn

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22. Maybe not right now but he will if he ever decide to announce he's running and starts chasing
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:12 PM
Apr 2019

his photo ops and pandering to the crowds. It's called campaigning, all of our candidates do it. Bernie and Biden campaigning doesn't change the fact that Joe Biden had a big hand in writing the 1994 crime bill.

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BlueFlorida

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23. Joe will campaign on issues he has always championed
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:26 PM
Apr 2019

He won't suddenly change his positions state by state.

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Autumn

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24. One of the chief complaints about Bernie is that his speeches are always the same.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:29 PM
Apr 2019

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BlueFlorida

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25. Today's was different
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:32 PM
Apr 2019

Suddenly he had an epiphany about social and racial justice ... in South Carolina.

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Autumn

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27. Actually that's not a new epiphany, he's been hitting that note for some time now. nt
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:40 PM
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Hassin Bin Sober

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28. Yeah here was his "sudden epiphany"
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:30 PM
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Blue_Tires

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13. At least he actually mentioned the racism this time
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:04 PM
Apr 2019

so I'll take my little victories where I find them

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Hassin Bin Sober

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16. Can we count on your support then?
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:13 PM
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Blue_Tires

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18. I voted for him in the '16 Va. Primaries, bro
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:30 PM
Apr 2019

And when he dropped out I immediately switched over to Hillary even though I wasn't able to say the same of all the other Sanders fans I knew then.

And just like every goddamn election (except 2000 when I was young and stupid) I promise to put my full unequivocal support and volunteer efforts behind *whoever* the Dem nominee is, even if it's Kremlinist nutbars like Gravel or Tulsi...

Granted, I don't think Sanders has a snowball's chance since this field is MUCH stronger, younger and more diverse and his campaign is already making a lot of the same mistakes I called them out for in '16, but if he does I'll fall in line because that's what good Dems do.

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loyalsister

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17. ++++
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:29 PM
Apr 2019

Major criminal justice reform needs to be an intrinsic part of the Democratic platform..... in all 50 states at every level of elected office.

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