Has there been any reaction from BS or the BS campaign about page 23 of the Mueller report?

[lapucelle]

[WeekiWater]

1. Yes. His Press Secretary responded.

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

4. Wasn't the BS press secretary one of the people who was potentially duped and manipulated

by the Russian disinformation campaign?

She did wind up voting for one of Putin's stooges.

[cwydro]

28. Whoa.

She works for Bernie?

[Kahuna7]

73. She does. nt

[JI7]

87. and she refers to Sanders as "Daddy"

[oasis]

39. What?

..... .......

[Cha]

45. brie is such a charming

***.



What the hell is going on with the all the redaction?!

[lapucelle]

48. I wonder if she still agrees with Donald Trump about Russian interference.

[Cha]

53. Yeah, brie needs to be called out on

that stupidity. She was for stein.. and of course stein didn't want the Russians accused of anything untoward.

[Cha]

72. More brie Nonsense..

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

68. She's a horrid person. I hardly thing she's the one to be lecturing anyone about "unity" or civility

GFG!

[Cha]

69. No, brie would be the last one

TIED with sirota, turner, and BS.

[radical noodle]

14. Ah, Briahna Joy Gray...

the Stein voter.

[LiberalFighter]

65. I question Briahna's "facts".

[comradebillyboy]

2. Will Bernie blame Hillary again?

"Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference"

The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign.

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

[rzemanfl]

5. That is a direct quote, but it's not evidence?

With a footnote. WTAF? On edit, the footnote is redacted.

[dalton99a]

7. Yeah, Mueller always asks for an indictment without evidence

[Indygram]

12. I can't help but be reminded of the data breach issue and wonder if it's related

For anyone who forgot:
http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

[dalton99a]

15. Excellent point - and they lied about it too:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/index.html
Fired Sanders aide: I wasn't peeking at Clinton data files
By Dan Merica
Updated 9:22 AM ET, Fri December 18, 2015

(CNN) The Bernie Sanders campaign staffer who was fired for accessing data unique to the Hillary Clinton campaign's vote file, told CNN on Friday that he was only trying to "understand how badly the Sanders campaign's data was exposed" and not attempting to take data from the Clinton campaign.

"We knew there was a security breach in the data, and we were just trying to understand it and what was happening," said Josh Uretsky, reached by phone on Friday morning, a day after the campaign let him go.

He added, "To the best of my knowledge, nobody took anything that would have given the (Sanders) campaign any benefit."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/
Sanders Campaign's Breach of Clinton Data More Serious Than Disclosed
By Sam Frizell Updated: December 18, 2015 3:48 PM ET

Bernie Sanders’ campaign’s breach of Hillary Clinton’s voter data may have been more extensive than previously reported, according to a person with knowledge of investigation.

According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.

The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

[peggysue2]

50. Ahhh . . .yes! The memories and endless excuses regarding

the breach, and then the height of chutzpah to blame HRC for not doing enough to stop the foreign/Russian instrusion.

Good times!

Will the Sanders campaign react to the Mueller reveal that Putin favored Trump and Sanders? I'm sure they're working to put a spin on the giant turd that Mueller dropped in the punchbowl. Waiting 1 . . .2 . . . 3 . . .

[radical noodle]

16. I've always suspected as much n/t

[BlueFlorida]

20. I'm suspecting that as well

it is as clear to me as night and day.

Did Mueller interview Weaver and Chakraborti?

[GemDigger]

25. Dalton99a, do you by any chance have a link to the Mueller report? nt

[dalton99a]

26. Try this one:

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-report-searchable.pdf
(it's about 140MB to download)

or
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html

[GemDigger]

32. Thank you. nt

[George II]

42. So there are two who are balking about Mueller's conclusions - DJT and BS.

[vsrazdem]

3. Yes, he did.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called on Thursday for Congress to continue an investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 presidential election and whether President Trump sought to obstruct a law enforcement probe into the matter.

Sanders also said that lawmakers should take steps to bolster security ahead of future elections, suggesting that the president and congressional Republicans had so far stood in the way of such work.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439592-sanders-calls-on-congress-to-investigate-after-mueller-report-release

[lapucelle]

9. BS said nothing in that statement about the information on page 23 of the Mueller report.

Has BS reacted to the fact that some of his supporters were targeted, tricked, and manipulated by the Russian disinformation campaign?

It might even be that the members of his campaign who voted for Jill Stein were among the useful idiots that the Russian disinformation campaign created. What else would explain their support of Jill Stein?

[Indygram]

13. Better yet...has he told his supporters they were targeted, tricked and manipulated?

And apologized for not speaking up to correct lies at the time or even now?

That is part of the reason why I just don't and can't trust him. The same damn thing is happening again and still complete silence on his part.

[lapucelle]

21. I don't think BS has acknowledged the extent of the Russian interference.

The effort to promote Sanders as a way to influence the U.S. election began shortly after he declared his candidacy in spring 2015, according to Mueller’s indictment of the Russians. Russia’s aim was to defeat or weaken Clinton, who had angered Russian President Vladimir Putin when she had been secretary of state.

snip=======================================

Hopefully BS and his campaign will avoid RT this cycle.

During the primaries, Sanders gave at least three interviews to a Russia-controlled television network, RT, in which his trade stance was highlighted. The network in February 2016 criticized MSNBC for breaking away from Sanders after he said he was “helping to lead the opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.” The network posted a story headlined, “Bernie Sanders 'censored' by MSNBC while criticizing trade deal.”

Around the same time that Sanders was featured on RT, Russian employees at the Internet Research Agency were given a document explaining how to influence the U.S. election. The workers were told to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” according to Mueller’s indictment of the Russians.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-the-russian-effort-to-target-sanders-supporters-and-help-elect-trump/ar-BBVRUxa

[Mike Nelson]

6. Of course...

… the Russians and Trump Campaign don't really support Bernie - in the General Election...

[Ford_Prefect]

8. The evidence is that there was a wide ranging effort to divide the Democratic party by ANY means.

[BlueFlorida]

18. But someone was coopted to do it

and was an eager participant.

[Ford_Prefect]

23. Are you saying he knowingly cooperated with Russian support with the intent of destabilizing

the Democratic candidate? Do You assert that his participation was as designated spoiler?

Do you likewise state that his participation in the primary was disingenuous and did not represent legitimate interests of registered Democratic party members and voters?

Do you assert that his fund raising had no legitimate political purpose and was a deception to essentially deny funds to other "legitimate" Democratic candidates?

Do you assert that his actions in the Senate were to act as front for divisive attacks on Democratic candidates and had no purpose regarding the rights or needs of Democrats and American citizens?

Do You assert that the actions of the Russian Trolls were in accord with his political goals and methods?

I ask you to recall the behavior of Donald Segretti and the Rat Fucking gang under Nixon's Campaign and the later actions of Lee Atwater on Reagan's behalf. They engaged in all kinds of illegal behavior to forward their candidates by disrupting the Democratic primaries. Their actions shaped the outcome of the primaries and the elections in ways which benefited or damaged various Democrats along the way. Are you asserting the Democrats who benefited during those primaries were eager and co-opted participants as well?

[Indygram]

27. You have to admit that suspicion is understandable when he doesn't speak up

And both acknowledge what happened and speak strongly to his supporters about what happened and what is already starting again. At least for me that is why I completely tune him out now. I don't trust him and probably never will be able to again based on his inaction. He is so divisive and if you look on social media there are some of his supporters that seem to devote all of their time to trolling other candidates pages, spreading lies about other candidates running now. You see it on every single Beto live stream where Bernie supporters (they have his photo all over their profiles) spam the chat messages with lies and attacks. The longer he ignores this the more convinced people are likely to become that it's intentional. It is what it is. This is not intended to attack anyone. I'm just trying to explain why there are suspicions.

[Ford_Prefect]

34. I agree that some of his supporters pitch outrageous filth at other candidates. It confusing

to see him apparently ignore the need to either discipline or disavow them.

I am concerned that he seems tone deaf on the need to publicly address the Russian questions. it does not help his causes that he has yet to address this.

I am also very aware of the effect a similar situation had on my favorite ex-senator when the Russian Trolls hyped and amplified #MeToo sentiments. It did Al Franken no good at all to ignore events and implications, and defer comment. It amplified reasonable suspicions and allowed those with agendas to drown out the truth.

I saw the activities of the DNC on the ground during the primaries in NC. They did everything they could above and below board to deny progressive voices in the NC Democratic party. Between GOP and Russian interference and dis-information, and the actions of the DNC and our own NC party there was much ammunition for doubt and suspicion regarding Democratic goals and methods. Bernie and his people didn't create that doubt. Any Democrat speaking to progressive issues got the same treatment. Any NC Democratic donor was given a very clear picture of what they were funding and what or who was NOT on the menu.

But that was the last primary and not this one. Surely the DNC and the DCCC have learned from their mistakes?

[BlueFlorida]

30. Did he do any of the following things?

1. Ask his supporters to not boo Democratic leaders at the convention like John Lewis.
2. Ask his supporters to be respectful at the convention.
3. Refrain from propagating a conspiracy theory that the primary was stolen from him despite losing by 4 million votes.
4. Actively campaign for Hillary to showcase Hillary and her platform instead of promoting OR at her expense.
5. Condemn his campaign stalwarts like Nina Turner, Cornell West, Brihana Gray or David Sirota from promoting Jill Stein.

If the answer is no, you have your answer.

[Ford_Prefect]

35. I agree he seems to do little to discipline or supervise his followers.

I don't argue they are blameless, either. This does not equate with Russian collusion or co-opting, however.

[MrsCoffee]

41. Voting against Russian sanctions multiple times should raise suspicion.

Tad Devine's involvement with the campaign and the similarities to the campaign Devine and Manafort worked on for Putin should raise suspicion. Insistence until recently that discussion about Russian interference was just a distraction should raise suspicion.

And why is he putting these Jill Stein supporters in top positions in his campaign?

There are legitimate questions and concerns out there.

[Indygram]

46. That too

EOM

[lapucelle]

56. Believe it or not, some people seem to think that BS is the victim rather than the Democratic Party,

our 2016 general election presidential ticket, and the American electorate.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=76712

[Ford_Prefect]

61. Yes, those are legitimate questions and concerns. I have similar doubts about the new campaign.

I am not defending his present hires. Some of them worry me as to why would he hire them and who may be so advising him.

I was speaking to the past campaign in regards to the charges of co-opting and colluding. Bernie was not Jill Stein AFAIK.

The vote against the sanctions bill was to defeat added, unwarranted Iran sanctions and thus protect the Nuclear agreement. I agree with protecting that deal. The GOP put both together and refused to consider them independently, per Trump and the Neo-Cons.

I will also say I among many others are tired of the animosity seemingly carried over from 2016. If you are looking for a principle cause of that set of events you must begin with the decisions made well prior to the primary season by the DNC and other Democratic leaders to steer the primary towards their preferred candidate and the actions they took long before the Primary to limit fund raising and participation in policy decisions.

I do not accuse them of generating the "defeat". I observe that they acted in the interests of certain influential donors much as they appear to be doing now. The primary chaos which many have tried to blame on Bernie or his followers had many sources including the Russian Trolls and those working for Koch industries, among other GOP patrons. It also derived considerable energy from within our party.

Deep Throat asked Woodward if he understood just how influential those working in the darkness were and suggested they had engineered the choice of 1972 Democratic Candidate. The same groups are busy now modifying the primary process by spinning Democrats against each other and against traditional Democratic causes. Those are the "enemies" of the party IMHO.

[BlueFlorida]

47. shrug nt

[artislife]

70. This

You sound like your great candidate. Smart and with a clear vision of what really is going on here.

[emmaverybo]

24. Bingo

Don’t know how the House can manage all the investigations it must do, but the question of who on the American side, witting or unwitting, dem or repub., helped the Russians needs to be answered, Mueller’s report notwithstanding.

[yaesu]

10. We already knew the GOP & russia were working together to divide the party by using released DNC

emails showing internal communications fueling the tensions between the front runners. It worked &, it seems, we are still fighting it today.

[shanny]

11. yup

chasing our own tails

[BlueFlorida]

19. It was used to inflame one group of supporters

and no one did anything to calm them down and to not be divisive. The division was encouraged due to poor anger management.

[lapucelle]

22. Weren't the emails released during the general election season?

I wonder if Briahna Gray still agrees with Donald Trump about the Russian hacking.

Link to tweet

[Go Vols]

29. yep,during the GE,then DWS quit

PHILADELPHIA —Democrats arrived at their nominating convention on Sunday under a cloud of discord as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, abruptly said she was resigning after a trove of leaked emails showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-wikileaks-emails.html

[lapucelle]

33. Since it was the general election, it's a shame that for some the focus was on a myth

rather than the reality


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-emails.html?module=inline

And that some of the bitter continue to buy into divisive narratives.

[Cha]

49. Thanks for brie's stupid tweet about trump..

Link to tweet

Disgusting.

[lapucelle]

52. There are screenshots of lots of her 2016 general election stupid tweets.

Looks like Brie fell for the Russian propaganda.

[Cha]

54. Yeah, brie and stein.. what a duo.

[BlueFlorida]

17. They're hoping no one would notice nt

[Cha]

51. Of course.

Thanks to lapucelle for noticing!

[samnsara]

31. im sure their support for BS was not that they liked him more..they just hated HRC that much..

..they feared her for good reason.

[floppyboo]

36. Part of any good reaction here should start with not blaming the victim

or have we learnt nothing. You've got to earn the moral high ground.

[lapucelle]

37. I agree that blaming HRC is divisive and counter productive.

And you are certainly correct about candidates and their campaign operatives having to earn the moral high ground.

Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference
The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign.

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

[floppyboo]

38. "but he did it first!" What-about... Right.

I'm talking about this thread. This here and now.
Take responsibility for it.

edit: This thread is specifically aimed at the Mueller report and a specific line. My comment is not about candidates blaming victims. Not about candidates at all. Kind of a wild leap there on your part.

[lapucelle]

40. But who did what first? What are you talking about?

Has there been any reaction from the BS campaign about the information on page 23 of the Mueller report?

I take full responsibility for asking the question.

[floppyboo]

43. did you look back at your post?

What does this post, OP you cite above, have to do with the article you replied with?

[lapucelle]

44. "Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference

The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign."

Is BS still denying Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign?

Does his press secretary still agree with Trump about Russian interference?




Has there been any reaction from BS or the BS campaign about page 23 of the Mueller report?

[BlueFlorida]

55. Victim?

[lapucelle]

57. The Democratic Party, our 2016 GE presidential and vice presidential candidates,

and the American electorate are the victims.

[BlueFlorida]

58. Yes

I was laughing at who was referred to as a victim ^^up there^^.

[lapucelle]

60. I gathered as much.

It's stunning that anyone would think BS is the victim here. How was he or his campaign harmed?

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. Sanders is now a Russia target, along with a few other Dem candidates

‘Sustained and ongoing’ disinformation assault targets Dem presidential candidates"
A coordinated barrage of social media attacks suggests the involvement of foreign state actors.

By NATASHA KORECKI

02/20/2019 06:05 AM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018

"A wide-ranging disinformation campaign aimed at Democratic 2020 candidates is already underway on social media, with signs that foreign state actors are driving at least some of the activity.

The main targets appear to be Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas), four of the most prominent announced or prospective candidates for president....

...This is the same core group of accounts the company first identified last year in a study as anchoring a wide-scale influence campaign in the 2018 elections.

Since the beginning of the year, those accounts began specifically directing their output at Harris, O’Rourke, Sanders and Warren, and were amplified by an even wider grouping of accounts. Over a recent 30-day period, between 2 percent and 15 percent of all Twitter mentions of the four candidates emanated in some way from within that cluster of accounts, according to the Guardians.ai findings. In that time frame, all four candidates collectively had 6.8 million mentions on Twitter."

Russia wanted Trump elected. They worked to divide Democrats. Now they want Trump reelected. They are working to divide Democrats. Period. We can't aid and abet their efforts.

[progressoid]

62. Thanks for this reasoned response.

Let's hope more people focus on what is happening today.

[lapucelle]

63. BS is not mentioned in the story as being negatively targeted yet.

Hopefully Russia will not be pulling out the 2016 playbook.

Amarnath Gupta, a research scientist at the San Diego Supercomputer Center at the University of California at San Diego who monitors social media activity, said he’s also seen a recent surge in Twitter activity negatively targeting three candidates — O’Rourke, Harris and Warren.

Elizabeth Warren has also been negatively targeted.

Recent posts that have received widespread dissemination include racially inflammatory memes and messaging involving Harris, O’Rourke and Warren. In Warren’s case, a false narrative surfaced alleging that a blackface doll appeared on a kitchen cabinet in the background of the senator’s New Year’s Eve Instagram livestream.

[Tom Rinaldo]

64. They play all sides against each other. Whatever works

It was revealed that they organized and staged rallies pro and anti KKK at the same time on opposite street corners. They pushed both pro and anti "Black Lives Matter" memes as well. If they can get more bang for the buck by "promoting" either a candidate like Sanders or a cause like Black Lives Matter in a way that predictably will anger many, they will do so. Then they will appeal to the sense of grievance that actual Black Lives Matter or Sanders supporters will experience after being attacked by others in response. They get the same divisive results when they unfairly attack a candidate during a primary as they do when they "praise" a candidate in an obnoxious or divisive manner likely to solicit a backlash. They get division within the Democratic coalition. They want division within the Democratic coalition.

[lapucelle]

66. That's why it's important that no candidates inadvertently embrace a divisive Russia-generated

narrative and that they warn their staff and followers to be vigilant as well.

Surrogates and operatives should also be careful not to inadvertently repeat or amplify any of the divisive propaganda.

[Tom Rinaldo]

67. Agreed. No campaign is immune, nor are non affiliated activists. Trolls are pervasive n/t

[artislife]

71. hmm...rich. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

74. Right?

[artislife]

81. Look at the journal

and laugh even harder!!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

86. I know.

[lapucelle]

93. ...

[R B Garr]

92. It's not "rich", it's fact. Calling out hypocrisy and

double standards is always timely and necessary.

[lapucelle]

94. Why would any Democratic candidate hire people who helped to put Trump in the White House?

What does that say about having the requisite judgement for high office?

[R B Garr]

95. It is a huge clue about priorities!

I would like to hear some answers.

[R B Garr]

90. Yes! Also, as you said, Sanders needs to acknowledge

and apologize to our base over this. He needs to acknowledge it as a real threat as it is reported in the news. There is no dismissing it anymore.

Great thread, lapucelle! I totally agree with you.

[Demsrule86]

76. No he is not. Pubbies and Russia still want Sanders.

[Demsrule86]

75. Holy shit. I always thought this was the case may there it is in black

and white.

[lapucelle]

77. There are a lot of redactions around that quote

and the given reason is "harm to an ongoing matter".

[Demsrule86]

78. You think maybe the Russian princess Jill is under investigation?

[lapucelle]

79. Wow, I did't think of that. However, Jill strikes me as a useful idiot

more so than a criminal mastermind.

I heard a talking head on MSNBC last night say it might be more Russians or Roger Stone.

[Demsrule86]

83. Yeah you are right.

[Me.]

80. THe Funny Thing

is that whenever I hear about Russians/HRC I can't help thinking of Tad Devine. After all, he had influence in that corner of the world and was the one who coined 'lock her up'.

[progressoid]

84. That would be Michael Stoker.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hillary-clinton-michael-stoker-epa-lock-her-up-chant-a8362566.html

[Me.]

85. He May've Used It

but as I understand it, it was first used against Yulia Tymoshenko in 2010 when Manafort and Devine were working to get Viktor Yanukovych elected as president of Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...another.../333d4742-be81-11e7-9294-705f80164f6.

https://millennialpolitics.co/catchphrases-from-hell-the-origins-of-lock-her-up/

[progressoid]

96. Your first link doesn't work

and the second one doesn't mention Devine.

[Me.]

97. Perhaps You Missed The Part Where Manafort & Devine Were Partners

Now where I read Devine came up with the phrase, I'd have to look but as it was a couple a years ago it would take time I don't have today. You can believe it or not but Devine was up to more than people imagine and why he was called in to talk with Mueller.

[Cha]

82. I'd like to see Briahna Joy Gray explain this part of the Mueller Report

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

88. Thank you for sharing this. I can't wait for the debates.

[Me.]

89. She Can't

It's an inconvenient truth

[Cha]

98. brie on trump.. that's how she explains..

Mahalo, Me

[Me.]

100. Nice Hire By BS

HRC didn't have anyone on her campaign who had partnered with Manafort to get Yanukovych (Ukraine)elected when Yulia Tymoshenko ran against him. She was eventually put in prison thus fulfilling the demand of the chants to 'lock her up' which were repeated at his rallies. The two, Manafort and Devine, had the corrupt Yanukovych promise to make Ukraine great again. Does any of this sound familiar?

[Cha]

101. Yeah, it's the

Twilight Zone.. a nightmare we're living.

[Me.]

102. Happy Holiday (?)

[Cha]

103. Same to you, Me..

Alohahoa

[R B Garr]

91. Great find, Cha!

These people voted third party and we need an explanation and apology.

[Cha]

99. And, the country will get neither.. just more gaslight..

Mahalo, RB