Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWaPo's Jennifer Rubin: Why not Warren?
The most progressive wing of the Democratic Party is represented by two candidates: One is younger than President Trump, cheerful, doesnt have the socialist label and has a zillion policy ideas. The other is five years older than Trump, prickly and humorless, has the socialist label and embraces the most extreme positions many in his party reject (e.g. allowing incarcerated mass murderers to vote). So far to my ongoing amazement Democratic primary voters tell pollsters they want the grouchy socialist, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), not Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), the cheerful policy wonk who declares shes a capitalist, albeit one who recognizes that the system is rigged."
We should remember that early polling might simply reflect Sanderss name recognition, but nevertheless, it is not as if Warren is an unknown quantity. By virtually any measure, shes a more accomplished and more electable choice, yet its Sanders who remains in the top tier of candidates. As Warren showed Monday night at a CNN town hall, shes obviously the candidate with the most detailed, specific policies and the one most capable of explaining detailed plans. She also manages to be less frightening but bolder than Sanders.
Specificity is an asset in the policy realm as well. Warren has a fleshed-out plan and has a way to pay for it. What we have to do as a country is roll back that debt. And so, I have two parts to the proposal, she said. Part one is that we say that were going to roll back student loan debt for about 95 percent of students who have debt. She continued, "And part two is to make sure that we never get in this mess again on student loan debt and that is to make college universally available with free tuition and fees, and to put more money into Pell grants so that students of color, so that our poorest students have real access to college and that we put real money into our historically black colleges and universities. " Shes explicit about how to pay for it, without demonizing the rich:
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And heres how the money works out. If we put that 2 cent wealth tax in place on the 75,000 largest fortunes in this country, 2 cents, we can do universal child care for every baby zero to 5, universal pre-K, universal college and knock back the student loan debt burden for 95 percent of our students and still have nearly a trillion dollars left over.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/23/why-not-warren/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,334 posts)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Rubin_(journalist)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)about ordinary Americans as Bernie, and every bit of progressive -- with a stronger record on guns.
And unlike Bernie, she accomplished something major for consumers -- the Consumer Protection agency was her brainchild.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,620 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)I love Elizabeth Warren. If she won the nomination, I would arrive at my polling station an hour before it opened on Election Day. She would be a fabulous president and I really wanted her to run last time. As a supporter of Progressive Democrats Of America, I supported their 2016 effort to recruit her.
I prefer Bernie because I am convinced the he would have won the 2016 general by a landslide. I already hear the retorts from some that "he couldn't even win the primary". Without firing off a range of facts which would bounce off that viewpoint like rubber, I will say that coming very close to winning the 2016 primary is not dispositive of winning the general.
I repeat, landslide.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,428 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,517 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,620 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Karadeniz
(22,553 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,649 posts)Someone, maybe Harris herself, will have to point out Bidens complicity in creating the student loan problem...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)I supported Bernie Sanders. I still like Bernie but I had supported Bernie after Elizabeth Warren decided not to run. I'm still not sure I'll stay with Warren because there are so many candidates running that I don't know much about but for now I am supporting Elizabeth Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts). indeed? She's smart, she knows her shit and she's a fighter! Damn, what more do you want?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)I specifically like:
"She's smart, she knows her shit and she's a fighter!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FakeNoose
(32,703 posts)... I can't bear the thought of another awesome woman getting the same horrid, misogynist treatment that Hillary got in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bloom
(11,635 posts)I think the horrid treatment makes her want to fight all the more.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
watoos
(7,142 posts)When she came out in favor of impeachment
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
maxsolomon
(33,357 posts)No wonder Rubin likes her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassler
(3,382 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SunSeeker
(51,620 posts)"The first is that a hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 election in order to help Donald Trump. The evidence is just there. Read it, footnote after footnote, page after page documentation.
Part two, Donald Trump welcomed that help. ...
Part three is when the federal government starts to investigate part one and part two, Donald Trump took repeated steps aggressively to try to halt the investigation, derail the investigation, push the investigation somewhere else, but otherwise keep that investigation from going forward and turning into a serious investigation about a hostile foreign government that it attacked us and about his own personal interests.
So, heres how I see this: If any other human being in this country had done whats documented in the Mueller report, they would be arrested and put in jail. Obstruction of justice is a serious crime in this country. But [special counsel Robert S. Mueller III] believed because of the directions from Donald Trumps Justice Department that he could not bring a criminal indictment against a sitting president. I think hes wrong on that, but thats what he believed. So he serves the whole thing up to the United States Congress and says, in effect, if theres going to be any accountability, that accountability has to come from the Congress. And the tool that we are given for that accountability is the impeachment process.
This is not about politics. This is about principle."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I am supporting Elizabeth Warren.
Ultimately, whomever becomes the Democratic nominee, that is who I will vote for.
The infighting is not necessary or helpful.
I would like to see a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate, and especially, a Democratic POTUS.
I doubt that I am the only one here who feels this way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,574 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)He said he came out of it thinking Buttigieg is very strong, but said Warren had a 'badass answer' about impeachment. When I asked him what he meant, he said that Trump is the crappiest president ever and that the House needs to start impeachment proceedings - if they don't, he said, they would lose the respect of young people for being spineless.
His words, not mine, though I agree with him.
As to Warren, I like her a lot and would have absolutely no problem supporting her as the Democratic nominee. I wouldn't have problems with Bernie, either, except there is some weird crap going on with Ro Khanna - that deal where he claimed the Buttigieg 'compared Sanders to Trump' was ridiculous. I watched that footage and that is NOT what I came out if thinking Buttigieg was saying at all. Nor do I think anyone else who actually watched the clip felt that way.
Better watch it, Ro.
As to Buttigieg, I am supporting him in the primaries because I really like his articulation of policy, and I believe he's very solid on healthcare, taxes, Social Security and the environment - all stuff I care about. I think he's also solid on social justice, which is very good. He did make a mistake, firing that police chief, and he needs to be very upfront answering for that. He has admitted it was a mistake, for sure, but still - he'd better work with minority communities beginning right now to build up some powerful social justice policies.
I say this, because I'm like my son (or he like me) in that I'm sick and tire of politicians that SAY one thing and DO nothing. I want some action when we flip Congress. That's why I was so down on Feinstein when those kids confronted her. I was sickened by the whole Senate thing of voting 'present' on the green new deal. That was a nonbinding resolution and we HAVE TO QUIT DANCING AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW.
I shook my head at the 'present' thing. I understood it, I guess, but I won't ever be in consensus with it. To me P-R-E-S-E-N-T spelled S-P-I-N-E-L-E-S-S in this case and in the privacy of my home I railed at Hoyer and Schumer. I won't say what I said, but I was pretty disgusted.
Well, enough of that. You all know I'm quite progressive. Perhaps 'aggressively progressive.' But I'm real sick of walking on eggs around these Republicans. Fuck them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,620 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Here's the "Harvard centrist" who asked that one.
Scary socialism will destroy America but Mitch McConnell is A-OK
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)folks support Sanders,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)tho probably never could happen..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden