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Related: About this forumWill the Revolution Be Monetized? Bernie Sanders' 'Dark Money' Org
"We were told, 'Hey, Bernie, that's the way it's always been!'" he recalled to a chorus of boos. "'Don't you know that rich people are the people who control politics?'"
Sanders has decried the role of money in politics for much of his career and, unlike his colleagues in Vermont's congressional delegation, he has mostly refused direct contributions from special-interest political action committees.
But as he ramps up his second bid for the presidency, Sanders is drawing support from a "dark money" nonprofit run by close associates and funded, in part, by anonymous six-figure contributions.
You can read the the rest here.
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/will-the-revolution-be-monetized-bernie-sanders-dark-money-org/Content?oid=27314628
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Cha
(297,240 posts)Say it ain't so!
Mahalo, lapucelle
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)Weaver has pushed back against concerns that they would rely on wealthy donors, telling The Washington Post, Theres no reaching out to the Koch Brothers or ExxonMobil. The truth of the matter is were going to rely primarily on small donations.
But without releasing the identities of contributors, its hard for the public to know whether that really is true. A group that decries the influence of money in politics should know that donor disclosure matters. Even as a 501(c)(4), Our Revolution could set an example for other nonprofits that spend on elections and choose to reveal this crucial information. Without doing that, its just another dark money group.
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/08/26/bernie-sanderss-new-political-group-wont-have-to-disclose-its-donors/
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Cha
(297,240 posts)"Transparency" that he demands from everyone else?
How is that not "elite"? And, all the other buzzwords?
Link to tweet
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)He has to go negative to get any traction whatsoever. His tired message is not resonating. Electability is far far more important this time around that unicorn programs.
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Cha
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murielm99
(30,741 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
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Cha
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namahage
(1,157 posts)The donor list provides names, but no information on amounts (other than they are $250 or greater). And a few donors in particular seem to invite interest:
Downtown for Democracy
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....reveals that about 20% of their contributors also contributed to Sanders in the 1st quarter of 2019.
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Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Last edited Fri May 3, 2019, 03:48 PM - Edit history (1)
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Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Indefensible in light of all the lecturing of others, although I'd like to hear someone explain why this different.
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progressoid
(49,990 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Roves dark money PACs are also 501(c)(4) entities
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progressoid
(49,990 posts)Americans for a Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow
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namahage
(1,157 posts)Surely, 501(c)(4)s have some troubling potential, as someone pointed out:
https://vtdigger.org/2016/08/22/sanders-new-group-exempt-campaign-finance-rules/
But they're obviously above-board when they benefit certain people, amirite?
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)markets, in very specific states, at very curious times during 2016.
It was almost like 2004 all over again...
In 2004, Republicans in several states helped Ralph Nader, then the Green Party candidate, in the hope that he would drive votes away from then-Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry.
That huge outlay of cash from Republican superpacs on attack ads to help certain non-republicans in the primaries certainly isn't requested by a candidate like Nader, but such a Candidate certanly would benefit - and those who build a brand on not accepting that money, can say that not a dollar of that filthy cash ever appeared in their campaign war chest. And nobody could ever offer any evidence that they altered their own spending on ads after seeing the effect these GOP funded ads were having in certain markets. NONE!
Even when their supporters start repeating the ads, and the "I don't take ANY corporate superpac money" candidate himself refuses to comment about the source of those ads, they could say that they remain completely above reproach.
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Gothmog
(145,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)there was "deep diving" there would be all kinds of interesting things to be found..
Link to tweet
Mahalo, Goth!
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betsuni
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pbmus
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NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Bernie's halo is showing some tarnish.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm sure that what Bernie is doing is TOTALLY different that those he raises money vilifying because REASONS.
A spokesperson for Our Revolution, Diane May, refused to say who gave the big bucks. But when Beckel followed the bread crumbs to related FEC filings, he discovered that a super PAC operated by National Nurses United was responsible for the $300,000 donation. The union, which did not respond to a request for comment, had previously spent nearly $4.8 million on pro-Sanders advertisements during the 2016 election, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
The $100,000 donation, as Politico first reported last fall, came from the Sixteen Thirty Fund itself a shadowy 501c4 used by liberal donors to quietly move money to progressive causes.
Beth Kanter, a spokesperson for the fund, confirmed that it gave the money in order "to focus on consumer protection, financial regulation and defending the Affordable Care Act." She declined to identify the original source of the money.
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zaj
(3,433 posts)I funny know if you can gain the power needed to fix the system without leveraging the system itself.
Billionaires bring power to the left too.
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Cha
(297,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)and hypocritical.
He attacks the very things he engages in.
Our Revolution is a PAC and receives dark money donations which are not disclosed. The public has a right to know where this money is coming from and where it is going.
Saikat Chakarborti diverted about $800K for his own companies from a well-known campaign and he is also involved with Our Revolution.
Bernie should open up the books of Our Revolution or stop attacking other candidates for accepting PAC money. He should not have it both ways.
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Bernie shouldn't have it both ways.
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I thought he became a Democrat in order to run in the Democratic Presidential primary.
Sid
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)They've been covering BS for decades and have no delusions concerning his tactics.
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TexasTowelie
(112,201 posts)Thanks for following up the article and posting it.
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
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lapucelle
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Cha
(297,240 posts)no doubt
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lillypaddle
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sheshe2
(83,770 posts)Very interesting.
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)The funds going to fight for progressive causes and candidates. My initial reaction is that this is the opposite of dark money. However i will read up on it more.
These people seem to have an axe to grind with thd Senator. However the founders of the acclaimed newspaper seem to be some very impressive women.
http://www.vermontguides.com/2000/10-oct/oct1.htm
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)Despite the unwritten rules, many 501(c)(4)s do engage in significant political activity, and since the Tea Party targeting scandal a few years ago, the IRS has been very timid about regulating this; in 2016, they are expressly forbidden from issuing new rules on political activity that would enable them to regulate it. To determine which activities constitute social welfare, the FEC has little guidelines and will only look at each case on an individual basis.
A common practice in the post-Citizens United world is to link a 501(c)(4) to an affiliated super PAC. This allows the super PAC to receive unlimited amounts of money without the true donor being revealed. They also can share staff and other resources, like American Bridge 21st Century and American Bridge 21st Century Foundation, a liberal super PAC and its affiliated 501(c)(4), respectively.
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/02/17/a-glossary-of-campaign-finance-in-the-u-s/#501(c)(4)
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Look at day one.
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/26/headlines/comcasts_top_lobbyist_holds_fundraiser_for_biden_in_philadelphia
As Comcast Lobbyist Hosts Bidens First Fundraiser, Campaign Boasts of Support from Top 1%
"In other campaign news, Biden marked his first day on the campaign trail by attending a $2,800-per-person fundraiser in Philadelphia at the home of Comcasts top lobbyist, David Cohen. Attendees included Daniel Hilferty, chief executive of Independence Blue Cross, the largest health insurer in the Philadelphia area. Senator Bernie Sanders criticized Biden for holding a fundraiser in the home of a corporate lobbyist. Former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, who co-hosted the Biden fundraiser, appeared on CNN this morning, and said the fundraiser attracted the top 1%."
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/08/26/bernie-sanderss-new-political-group-wont-have-to-disclose-its-donors/
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)That raises a valid concern.
Of note:
"Though Sanders orchestrated the launch of Our Revolution in 2016 and raised early money for it, he formally separated himself from it after critics raised concerns about the propriety of a sitting senator working so closely with a 501c4. According to Sanders spokesperson Arianna Jones, "the senator and his presidential campaign are not involved or coordinating" with it. She refused to say whether he found it appropriate for Our Revolution to accept undisclosed contributions and use them on his behalf.
Even if Sanders himself is walled off from the organization, its leaders are surely acquainted with his plans and goals. Its board consists entirely of 2016 supporters, surrogates and advisers, including Arab American Institute cofounder Jim Zogby, Texas political commentator Jim Hightower, the actress Shailene Woodley and former Sanders chief of staff Huck Gutman, one of the senator's best friends."
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namahage
(1,157 posts)Interesting that "Bernie's running." pops up when you go to their site. What about all the other worthy progressives in the Presidential and other races?
His hiring of the president of OR as a co-chair of his campaign is, as well, probably just a curious coincidence.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)With Our Revolution, not so much.
OR: "Financial Transparency! For everyone else! No need to know anything more, move along."
Several of the original staffers on OR quit when they found out that Jeff Weaver had set it up this way.
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and Sanders supporters with a record of dirty politics, and that includes lying and disrupting, while cloaking themselves in the respectability of the nurses who belong to the union. The NNU was only formed a few years ago out of separate unions.
Making these very large donations through DARK MONEY routes keeps their members from knowing just how much of their money is going to him. Investigative journalists revealed it in 2016 by following the money.
Time Magazine did a series of articles about Sanders that discussed them in 2016.
And in 2019 for political reasons, specifically to keep it from functioning better, they oppose making needed improvements to the ACA, including improving coverages and lowering premiums. This, in spite of the reality that it would take several years after 2020 to pass and then fully implement MfA. Have their told their members, who tend to be very concerned about patient care, this?
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George II
(67,782 posts)....of their contributions, that's dark money.
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)Can those numbers be spun?
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George II
(67,782 posts)...that the masses look at the larger number as representative of the number of supporters a candidate has.
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....and Good Jobs Nation, they share upper level officials. Also GJN is affiliated with the Sanders campaign.
Since you mentioned it, I just googled "good jobs nation our revolution" and see that Our Revolution is promoting a rally in Indianapolis with Good Jobs Nation and Sanders:
Bernie Sanders & Good Jobs Nation Rally on Jobs and the Economy - Indianapolis, Indiana
https://go.ourrevolution.com/page/event/detail/rally/wxt
They have a location but still no date or time.
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R B Garr
(16,954 posts)and is accepting their help. This hypocrisy is outrageous. Anonymous donors and dark money while criticizing other candidates is nothing but double standards and hypocrisy.
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George II
(67,782 posts)They've filed as a "Social Welfare Organization". According to the IRS:
This is the home page of their website, which is clearly directly participating in the political campaign on behalf of a candidate for public office:
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murielm99
(30,741 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)at the very least, and if its against the law, it needs to be exposed. Great find, George! Its like they think if they are accusing others, they dont think anyone will question them.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....what is commonly called "dark money" - a group that does not disclose their contributors or magnitude of their contributions to the public is working for Sanders' campaign.
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R B Garr
(16,954 posts)the FEC flags cleared from another campaign. Transparency, and its about time.
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)Our Revolution was organized as a dark money organization. Donors are not disclosed.
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/08/26/bernie-sanderss-new-political-group-wont-have-to-disclose-its-donors/
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/02/17/a-glossary-of-campaign-finance-in-the-u-s/#501(c)(4)
From an August 2016 story in a different Vermont newspaper:
Sen. Bernie Sanders is building a political organization that will be able to avoid financial disclosure and influence policy from the shadows, a dark money strategy he has railed against for years, including on the presidential campaign trail.
The organization, called Our Revolution, will operate as a nonprofit 501(c)(4) a designation that does not require disclosure of donors or spending because of its status as a social welfare organization. Political action committees, on the other hand, are under the authority and disclosure requirements of the Federal Election Commission rather than the Internal Revenue Service, which oversees nonprofits.
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Sanders frequently railed against this type of influence often called dark money during his presidential bid, including during a CNN debate in April when he questioned Clintons ties to such groups.
Lets talk about judgment, Sanders said then. Lets talk about super PACs and 501(c)(4)s, money which is completely undisclosed. Where does the money come from? Do we really feel confident about a candidate saying that shes going to bring change in America when she is so dependent on big-money interests? I dont think so.
The danger, according to Sanders, is that even though the money from a 501(c)(4) cannot be used to promote a particular candidate, the groups can produce issue ads to attack an opponent or influence legislation.
https://vtdigger.org/2016/08/22/sanders-new-group-exempt-campaign-finance-rules/
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mcar
(42,331 posts)This deserves much more scrutiny.
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UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)out his book for free online.
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bloom
(11,635 posts)He may say he was able to run his campaign based on only small donations (in 2016) - but I wouldn't assume so.
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Cha
(297,240 posts)all the concern about Biden getting donations from David L Cohen.
At least we know where it's coming from
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Gothmog
(145,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brer cat
(24,565 posts)Thanks for posting, lapucelle.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)support with SO much money a farther-leftist candidate like Bernie Sanders with a long record of hostility toward the Democratic Party, the party that gave them the ACA. Yes, some support, but that much to one candidate whose no-achievement record from the very beginning caused virtually all other large donors to refuse to fund his campaign? Nurses tend to be stable, sensible, dependable. The size of the donations just seemed strange, inappropriately large.
All the healthcare workers I've ever chatted with, and there have been a fair number over the years, have been supporters of the ACA, usually strong. They'd be glad of further advances beyond that initial giant one, of course, but I never caught a whiff of the contempt and rejection Sanders' noisier supporters have for the ACA.
Well, the obvious guess why appears to be correct: Similar ideology in the organization's leadership. The NNU was formed by uniting several nurses' groups, and its executive director is Bonnie Castillo, who until 1991 was a member of the Communist Party. No crime in that, of course, and she's an activist who's done a lot of good work, including leading a strong union in an anti-union era. But it does suggest how the organization's donations came to be channeled in a direction that is most likely far more reflective of her ideology than of the large body of its members.
And the other officers, Deborah Burger, Zenei Cortez, and Jean Ross, are similarly farther-left oriented, noting that these are all women of impressive accomplishment. It explains why they strongly support Sanders' version of Medicare for All, in spite of the grim prognosis for both successfully passing something that extreme into law and not having it struck down by the courts, including by the conservative majority on SCOTUS. That is somewhat out of the norm because nurses overall tend to be committed to protecting, not just expanding, patient care. Also, large numbers of nurses are conservative; there are plenty of Republicans and Trump supporters among them in spite of everything.
They actively worked to elect Sanders and participated in farther-left activities in other ways. Okay.
Revealingly, and shockingly to me, though, last month they joined Sanders in refusing to support the Democratic house bill to protect the ACA from Trump's newest attempts to dismantle and to expand and shore up coverages and reduce premiums. The reason was that a better ACA might weaken political support for the Sanders' version of the MfA, which at best wouldn't be passed for another 3 years or so and couldn't be fully implemented for another 7 years. How many years do they intend to hurt people and even patients by opposing improving coverages and care through the ACA when we can?
Btw, they also positioned themselves on the side of the Sanders delegates against Nevada's Democratic Party after disruptions by Sanders delegates rising to rioting at the NV state convention, publishing an account of grievances that was both contradicted and otherwise not supported by investigative media reports at the time and that completely failed to mention any of a long list of egregious, even potentially criminal behaviors by some Sanders delegates.
So, in any case, there's some insight into how the NNU's extra-big money support for a candidate overall much farther to the left than their membership came about, and very likely continues.
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)It needs to be explained and discussed at length.
Thank you for your insight.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)donations. Who were the executives of NNU hiding them from?
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Cha
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nycbos
(6,034 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
namahage
(1,157 posts)Bernie, August 2016:
The organization, called Our Revolution, will operate as a nonprofit 501(c)(4) a designation that does not require disclosure of donors or spending because of its status as a social welfare organization. Political action committees, on the other hand, are under the authority and disclosure requirements of the Federal Election Commission rather than the Internal Revenue Service, which oversees nonprofits.
Sanders outlined the groups charter in a July interview with USA Today. He also outlined the formation of two organizations in addition to Our Revolution. The other two are The Sanders Institute which will focus on policy research and education and a yet-unnamed organization that may focus on helping candidates craft media strategy.
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LongtimeAZDem
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George II
(67,782 posts)501(c)(4)
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/other-non-profits/social-welfare-organizations
The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity. However, any expenditure it makes for political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f). For further information regarding political and lobbying activities of section 501(c) organizations, see Election Year Issues, Political Campaign and Lobbying Activities of IRC 501(c)(4), (c)(5), and (c)(6) Organizations, and Revenue Ruling 2004-6.
Our Revolution Home Page:
https://ourrevolution.com/
Click on the red bar across his chest:
https://go.ourrevolution.com/page/s/join-the-volunteer-army-ready-for-bernie-in-2020/?source=ws190219
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for transparency
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Gothmog
(145,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)about it, BS?
Thank You, namahage
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Me.
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BlueFlorida
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Cha
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Gothmog
(145,242 posts)This is interesting https://politicalwire.com/2019/05/13/sanders-struggles-to-retain-outsider-status/
Now, in this early stage of the 2020 presidential race, Mr. Sanders is a Democratic front-runner and newly minted millionaire, with high name recognition and $18 million raised in the first six weeks of his campaign, so far outpacing his rivals. His campaign today has the trappings of the very establishment he eschews, making it a challenge to set himself apart in a wide field of Democrats, including some who have sought to emulate his previous run.
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ecstatic
(32,704 posts)It's OK if Bernie does it. He and he alone is the decider on what's acceptable and not acceptable.
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George II
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revmclaren
(2,523 posts)This really needs to be investigated.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
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Cha
(297,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)Some of it in rubles
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