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February 7, 2013

No. RFK ordered CIA to stop dealing with the MAFIA

I'm not trying to argue with you OldDem2012. I'm trying to correct misunderstandings that have arisen and been perpetuated due to CIA's long history of deceit when it comes to the assassination of President Kennedy.

The record shows, while RFK encouraged certain Cuban exiles, none were authorized or "sanctioned" to assassinate Castro.

From DUer Deb Conway and her online resource, JFK Lancer:



***May 7, '62 - RFK briefed on past CIA-Mafia Plots: RFK meets with Richard Helms (Helms later denied this meeting took place despite a specific indication on RFK's calendar), and later that afternoon with Sheffield Edwards and CIA general council Lawrence Houston for a briefing on pre-Bay of Pigs organized crime assassination plots. (Testimony of Lawrence Houston HSCA, p62 National Archives) "Mr. Kennedy stated that upon learning CIA had not cleared its action in hiring Maheu and Giancana with the DOJ he issued orders that the CIA should never again take such steps with first checking with the DOJ."; CIA does not tell RFK the organized crime plots will continue. (Memo for IG from Sidney D. Stembridge Acting Director of Security 3.16.76, quoting FBI memo FBI 62-109060-4984 - states May 9,'62 as the date for this briefing.) Houston testified that RFK insisted "There was not to be any contact of the Mafia...without prior consultation with him." (Church Committee, Houston, 6/2/75 p37)

CONTINUED...

http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/index.html



As they did with RFK, the CIA did not inform the Warren Commission of any of this important information:



Why did the CIA not give information on the Castro assassination attempts to the Warren Commission? In 1975, in his Church Committee testimony, Richard Helms was asked if he was charged with furnishing the Warren Commission information from the CIA, information that he thought was relevant?

Helms: No sir, I was instructed to reply to inquiries from the Warren Commission for information from the Agency. I was not asked to initiate any particular thing.

Senator Morgan: In other words if you weren't asked for it, you didn't give it.

Helms: That's right, sir.


(Helms testimony, 7/17/75)

ALL the DETAILS: http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html



CIA continued in a similar way to obstruct justice in the Kennedy assassination investigation. CIA never revealed to HSCA members and staff that its liaison to the HSCA, George Joannides, was a direct participant in events in New Orleans that involved Lee Harvey Oswald.
February 6, 2013

Until the Money Runs Out.

As they print the stuff, I voted "Never."



Thank you for an outstanding poll and OP, Solly Mack. Infinite thanks.

February 6, 2013

I believe the Constitutional Right ''peaceably to assemble'' includes Democratic Underground.





AMENDMENT I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



While a lot happening today wasn't around when the Founders lived, their idea of We the People having a basic Right to meet and exchange ideas in peace – wherever and whenever and however We want to – is still central and essential to democracy.

If we want democracy and our constitutional republic to continue, let alone my beloved Democratic Party, it must remain ever so.
February 6, 2013

I haven't admitted anything, siddithers.

What I do know is labeling people such is an attempt to discredit them as a source of information.

The tradition was started by CIA in answer to critics of the Warren Commission.

February 6, 2013

Army-Air Force. And for some reason, SS cancelled the trip to Soldier Field.

Here's what Abraham Bolden, the first African American to serve on the White House Secret Service detail, had to say:



Former agent says Kennedy assassination thwarted weeks before president's death

By Chuck Goudie
WLS-TV, Tuesday, November 27, 2007

EXCERPT...

Right-wing radical and Kennedy denouncer Thomas Vallee, had arranged to be off work for JFK's visit, Vallee, an expert marksman, was arrested with an M1 rifle, a handgun and 3,000 rounds of ammo. But then there was the phone call to federal agents from a motel manager concerning what was she saw in a room rented by two Cuban nationals.

"Had seen lying on the bed several automatic rifles with telescopic sights, with an outline of the route that President Kennedy was supposed to take in Chicago that would bring him past that building," said former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden.

Chicagoan Bolden, now 72, was a young agent in 1963. After a few years as an Illinois state trooper, Bolden had joined he Secret Service and was invited by President Kennedy onto the prestigious White House detail - the first black agent ever assigned to protect a president.

Bolden recalled how agents bungled surveillance of those two suspected Cuban hitmen. They disappeared and were never even identified.

"No one was sent to the room to fingerprint it or get an I.D. The case was lost and that was the end of it," Bolden said.
On November 2, the president was about to leave the White House for Chicago, and Bolden says a Cuban murder squad here was unaccounted for.

"The morning of the game, the special agent in charge of the Chicago office called the White House and recommended the president cancel his trip to Chicago," Bolden said.

CONTINUED...

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news&id=5778871



Who cares what teams? The point is JFK was under threat and changed plans. What bothers me more than how few know about these things is how many seem to think the assassination 50 years ago doesn't matter for our present political situation.

For those interested in learning more about the Chicago plot, an excellent article by Edwin Black:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49710299/The-Chicago-Plot-to-Kill-JFK


February 6, 2013

Capitalism's Invisible Army

WTF? Seriesly?



The company just wants to make certain the world is a safe place for its owners to make a buck.

February 6, 2013

No doubt about it. There is no Constitutional foundation for 'extrajudicial killing.'

What if a president who wanted to invade Iraq was opposed in Congress by a conscientious Senator?

Could the president name such a Senator an "Enemy of the State" in order to proceed with said invasion?

Is that what happened to Paul Wellstone?

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