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SHRED's JournalWhen my conservative friends are losing a political discussion
Here are the two "go to" responses from them:
1. "I am an 'independent' voter."
The more emphasis that is put on this claim the more I know they are further to the Right Wing.
2. "Both sides are messed up."
The old 'false equivalency' tactic which used to try and throw off the conversation. This is used more times than not in a fit of exasperation when really falling behind in the discussion. A last ditch attempt.
So predictable.
And so common.
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Government Healthcare Delivery More Efficient Than Private Sector
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/29/government-healthcare-delivery-more-efficient-than-private-sector/
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Why is this so difficult for some people to grasp (RW family members and friends)?
Where's the Democratic Party's "vision for the future"??
Here is a reply post by bvar22 that I strongly felt deserves a top post:
...when simply "not Caving" to the Republicans is celebrated as a VICTORY.
What Obama and the Democratic Party Leadership FAILED to do over the last 3 weeks
was put a Democratic Party Vision for the Future
On-The-Table.
Instead, the Whole Fucking Debate is about what the Reoublicans want to do,
and How MUCH Obama is going to let them do.
This is NOT a "VICTORY" for a President who WON in November with a MANDATE from the People.
NOW, if Obama meets Boehner 1/2 Way to Plan B,
THAT will be touted as a WIN.
WHERE is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY VISION for The FUTURE?
THAT should have been On-the Table on Day ONE, the focus of all the TV Talking Heads and the focus of the National Dialog,
NOT Boehner and Plan B.
Things like:
*Lowering the Retirement Age to 62
*Raising the CAP
*EFCA
*Stop Federal Funds to Private Universities,
and DOUBLING or TRIPLING the funding for Public Universities
*Forgiveness of Student Loans
*Stop Subsidies to Oil Corporations
*MORE regulation of Wall Street
*EXPAND Medicare
*MASSIVE Jobs Programs, a la Republican President Dwight Eisenhower
*Medicare? allow Medicare to negotiate prices with Drug Companies
*Transaction Taxes for Stock Trades
*VAT Taxes or 15% Tariffs for Imported Manufactured Goods (like Europe)
*Fair Competition Regulations (Sherman Act)
that let Mom & Pop (small locally owned businesses) compete with WalMart
(Big Boxes) on a level playing field
*Not JUST let the Bush Tax Cuts expire, but go back to the Pre-Reagan Tax Rates
ALL that and MORE should have been put On-the-Table on DAY ONE.
THEN say to Boehner and the Republicans....
"OK. NOW lets talk compromise."
Those are just a few.
We don't have to get ALL of them,
or ANY of them.
But, as a Party, we DO need to give the American People an IDEA of WHAT the Democratic Party STANDS for.
THAT should be what America is talking about.
Boehner and the Republicans were very successful at putting their vision in front of the American people,
and having THAT as the focus of the national discussion for over 4 weeks.
Does ANYONE here KNOW what the Democratic Vision is?
...besides NOT letting Boehner have every-fucking-thing he asked for?
...besides NOT being quite as bad as the Republicans?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=267814
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"...big government, small government..."
I’ll just give you, you know, one very simple example. We spend somewhere close to $300 billion a year on prescription drugs, because the government gives drug companies patent monopolies. I’d get arrested, you know, if I tried to produce, you know, Pfizer’s drugs. They have a patent monopoly. They get to charge whatever they want. If you didn’t have those monopolies, we’d spend about a 10th as much, somewhere around $30 billion. So that difference is close to $250 billion a year. That’s not entered on the budget, but the government is requiring us to spend extra money for drugs. That’s really big government, but the Republicans never, ever talk about that, because the pharmaceutical industry are big contributors. So we aren't arguing about big government or small government; we’re arguing about who gets the money.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/14/dean_baker_the_biggest_myth_in
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Some quotes to remember:
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jefferson
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini
"The real truth of the matter - as you and I know - is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson." FDR
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to the point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power." FDR
The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations. -- Noam Chomsky
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