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LanternWaste

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11. I see no real evidence pointing towards it, and as the various states and territories are not

Wed Dec 20, 2017, 05:06 PM

Dec 2017

I see no real evidence pointing towards it, and as the various states and territories are not in real conflict, and as the political conflicts we currently experience are not predicated on region (one of five necessary prologues for Balkanization to occur) but rather on ideology, I simply do not see a fracturing of the US as a political entity as a practical possibility now or in the near future.

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DU POLL: Will Balkanization eventually happen in the US? [View all] RKP5637 Dec 2017 OP

What exactly are you asking? brooklynite Dec 2017 #1

Will the country divide into regional areas wanting separation from a federal government, so as to RKP5637 Dec 2017 #4

No brooklynite Dec 2017 #5

Probably in the big picture you are 100% correct. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #6

We have a pretty strong precedent in this country for a "perpetual union." Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #2

No. A lot of poor red states need federal monies that come from blue states. Lanius Dec 2017 #3

If the federal government stops being effective, the states will have to step up. haele Dec 2017 #7

This is where I see things going Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #10

Yes, I could definitely see something like this happening "if" the current trend continues. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #12

We certainly hate each other as much as we did in the 1850s... First Speaker Dec 2017 #8

If Trump gets his pick of a couple of more SCOTUS justices, that will pour gas on the fire. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #13

No get the red out Dec 2017 #9

I see no real evidence pointing towards it, and as the various states and territories are not LanternWaste Dec 2017 #11

I certainly hope not, because it would tragically weaken the US IMO to be divided. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #14

I don't know about Balkanization Saboburns Dec 2017 #15

And that is the saddest part, driven by hatred, while Rupert Murdoch profits!!! Hate sells. Trump RKP5637 Dec 2017 #16

If Dems don't get control of Congress in 2018 election ... GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #17

Yeah, the 2018 election will be very telling about the future of the US. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #19

I must agree.. pangaia Dec 2017 #30

Why do you think that? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #34

Very probably. Welcome to the Balkanized States of America: Aristus Dec 2017 #18

Probably all the southern states as one region, unless global warming wipes the area out. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #20

I agree. Aristus Dec 2017 #21

Yep! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #22

What are the southern states in your scenario? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #36

It's really difficult to tell until events roll out, if they ever do, if such a geographical area RKP5637 Dec 2017 #48

Pacifica: California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii. VOX Dec 2017 #25

Sorry. Washington, Oregon, parts of northern California, and maybe even B.C. will be 'Cascadia'. Aristus Dec 2017 #26

Understood (cool flag!)... VOX Dec 2017 #37

Are Washington, Oregon and N. California going to invade ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #39

I don't know in what reality that's possible. Aristus Dec 2017 #40

Sure ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #42

Okay. Aristus Dec 2017 #44

Ok, thanks for responding ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #45

large parts of California, Oregon and Washington are red. Kaleva Dec 2017 #47

In my vision for Cascadia, it's Washington and Oregon west of the Cascades Aristus Dec 2017 #54

Redneckastan, the Great Lakes Strip: Milwaukee-Chicago-Detroit-Cleveland Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #27

I have to admit I wonder what will happen to all of the right-wing "Gawd Bless 'Murikkka!" Aristus Dec 2017 #28

Start shooting their neighbors? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #46

The U.S. is now polarized on REALITY. There's no solution for that except divorce. VOX Dec 2017 #23

Yep, I've often said watching politics in the US is like a perpetual domestic quarrel. The 2018/2020 RKP5637 Dec 2017 #24

Same. I no longer have faith in people to do the right thing. VOX Dec 2017 #31

That's an astute and sad observation. Not many solutions and not much time to implement them. LonePirate Dec 2017 #29

Agreed. Something will have to give way. VOX Dec 2017 #32

The notion that ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #38

We "folks on a progressive website" tend to think outside the box. VOX Dec 2017 #41

When did proposing treason and civil war ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #43

"Treason" is the reason we're in this mess. We are a Russian satellite state...for now. VOX Dec 2017 #52

As most of us live in Purple America, it'd be impossible to Balkanize this nation. Kaleva Dec 2017 #33

Yep, please see #49. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #50

An in-depth look at the Balkans themselves might inspire the same question. Aristus Dec 2017 #55

When the term was first coined back in early 19th century, what you describe was extremely rare. Kaleva Dec 2017 #56

How do you balkanize urban vs. rural? So no. nt Persondem Dec 2017 #35

Yep, the map in #33 shows where we are. Actually, that is a good thing perhaps, maybe there is still RKP5637 Dec 2017 #49

Agree 100% nt Persondem Dec 2017 #51

By ethnic and political cleansing. roamer65 Dec 2017 #53