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100. Kharosho. Spaseeba, tovarisch.

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Medicare Is Cracking Down on Opioids. Doctors Fear Pain Patients Will Suffer. [View all] RKP5637 Mar 2018 OP

My grandmother with crippling pain from arthritis Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #1

As often happens in the US, they go after the majority than focusing on where the problem is and RKP5637 Mar 2018 #5

My 80 plus friend was taking morphine for arthritic pain. riverbendviewgal Mar 2018 #10

MM should absolutely be available nationwide; of course, it isn't. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #105

I am nearing 80 quartz007 Mar 2018 #180

Wonderful. riverbendviewgal Mar 2018 #189

thank you quartz007 Mar 2018 #199

Kratom or unwashed poppy seeds. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #2

There are other ways to manage through pain than narcotics blake2012 Mar 2018 #3

I'm never that blunt about it. Aristus Mar 2018 #7

We need a bunch just like you helping ramp down this addiction blake2012 Mar 2018 #11

Sure you're on the right website? n/t MicaelS Mar 2018 #37

Yes. How is it that my desire to see medical community reverse opioid epidemic blake2012 Mar 2018 #43

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #87

Naproxen Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #12

Thank you. Internet doctors, particularly ones who tout drug warrior propaganda kcr Mar 2018 #18

Naproxen's cousin Ibuprofen almost killed me CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #80

After surgery and massive antibiotics for Staph A in my heart, BobTheSubgenius Mar 2018 #88

I wish I'd known CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #117

Ibuprofen is the only OTC pain med that works for me dhol82 Mar 2018 #150

I still take it ocassionally - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #154

Thanks for the tip dhol82 Mar 2018 #158

For me the soreness is associated with a cold - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #160

Acetaminophen gives me extremely high blood pressure despite my medication. It gets RKP5637 Mar 2018 #208

Thank you..I just tossed bottle of Naproxen quartz007 Mar 2018 #186

For years I used naproxen and piroxicam to control the pain from my knees csziggy Mar 2018 #32

It absolutely makes my head EXPLODE that we would under medicate people with Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #46

No. Absolutely not. Cancer patients, post-operative patients, Aristus Mar 2018 #51

Been there, done that. I know what you mean. How do you gauge when they have an injury Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #56

I do an appropriate workup to assess injury or any etiology for chronic pain. Aristus Mar 2018 #59

what gives you the right to decide who will or won't be allowed to stop their own suffering? you mus TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #61

Well, state regulators, for one thing. Aristus Mar 2018 #76

like i said, conscienceless. "saying it's your job don't make it right." yeah, you keep your licen TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #81

Your indignation would be a lot sexier Aristus Mar 2018 #90

Lol blake2012 Mar 2018 #92

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Wow. This just gets better and better. Aristus Mar 2018 #98

I think you nailed it blake2012 Mar 2018 #106

i think you need to work on your bedside manner, or move to the morgue. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #114

he better not Skittles Mar 2018 #119

HA! Aristus Mar 2018 #120

I, too, work under a license (not medical, speech-language pathology) phylny Mar 2018 #164

LOL Skittles Mar 2018 #116

Sounds like you know what you are doing. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #62

well remember, laws are for the little people; when doctors or other big-shots have pain, severe or TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #64

UNFAIR, most docs are great people who do care ...this is not their fault Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #65

to be honest, i would err on the side of believing the patient. and while i understand that doctors TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #70

Vast majority of docs I have dealt with are just fine. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #77

not going to disagree, but my experience has been different; i have a weird auto-immune thing TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #83

Oh really how nice that you can crawl into another's body and experience their pain. How does that Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #239

so if a person is days away from death, you will "allow" them to have relief from their pain? that's TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #72

I don't work in palliative care. Aristus Mar 2018 #78

i'm not sure if that's good or bad; maybe you should go into pathology, or some other field TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #84

Kharosho. Spaseeba, tovarisch. Aristus Mar 2018 #100

So you extend your experience with one person who is clearly drug-seeking Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #126

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because national health statistics show it's not enough of an exception blake2012 Mar 2018 #137

the people ODing are not the ones complaining about this government over-reach; those people are TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #140

So my grandmother should suffer, and bear the cost Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #151

that is already not true...people with chronic pain are already denied prescription pain pills in il questionseverything Mar 2018 #222

I'll never forget how I was treated when I lost (half) prescription fescuerescue Mar 2018 #249

Are you an MD? GusBob Mar 2018 #149

No. He isn't. n/t Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #213

As a healthcare provider, you can appreciate... Dave Starsky Mar 2018 #178

tough shit? goodbye spanone Mar 2018 #16

tough shit, eh? RussBLib Mar 2018 #21

I'm with you. spanone Mar 2018 #25

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #30

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #42

yep; STFU and suffer until you die, so that i can feel smugly self-righteous in my anti-drug purity. TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #60

with all due respect, mind you own f-in business. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #57

This affects us all. Try hearing stories of husbands who lost wives or blake2012 Mar 2018 #58

so what about the people who have loved ones suffering without adequate pain relief? find a way to TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #63

No it is not. Any rules put in place in April wint Kick in until Jan 2019 blake2012 Mar 2018 #67

other regs have already gone into place, that are affecting non-medicare patients; don't their lives TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #75

Physician... heal thyself. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #220

As a person with chronic pain pazzyanne Mar 2018 #103

i feel you. unfortunately, our Masters couldn't care less. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #108

These medicines have a place in our treatment protocols. MuseRider Mar 2018 #135

I think you and I are in more agreement than you may realize blake2012 Mar 2018 #139

What an uninformed post. Cattledog Mar 2018 #155

Smaller quantities more frequently Betty88 Mar 2018 #161

I found pain relief much better using Tylenol for arthritis riverbendviewgal Mar 2018 #4

Did you have rheumatoid arthritis? n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #6

I did before my heart attack. riverbendviewgal Mar 2018 #8

Thanks! RKP5637 Mar 2018 #9

My niece has long term lyme disease and this has caused terrible arthritis. She is without a doubt Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #240

I worked in a hospital once a long time ago where some drs. prescribed shock therapy for RKP5637 Mar 2018 #252

She would die without pain medication. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #254

Yes, definitely she would. It was ridiculous the patients where I worked were not given all of the RKP5637 Mar 2018 #255

It is inhumane. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #256

not everyone's pain is the same; some pain is not inflammatory, so NSAIDs do nothing, except give TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #54

And tylenol kills your liver if you take it regularly. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #235

goddamn it. I occasionally need them for kidney stones. spanone Mar 2018 #13

My spouse is in that situation as well. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #15

same way. i'm having lithotripsy next monday kidney 1 - following monday kidney 2 spanone Mar 2018 #17

Good luck. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #22

it is amazing. spanone Mar 2018 #24

If they withheld them from you in the case of a kidney stone I would be furious Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #48

They don't generally withhold them - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #159

what do they normally prescribe? they give you a shot on site also, right? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #171

The first time, they hooked her up to a morphine drip Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #176

My doc told me joint replacement is the most painful, would that include hip surgery? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #179

No joint surgery Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #181

Rib removal? Wow Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #183

Thoracic outlet syndrome Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #192

Had my sternum fractured in a car accident Heartstrings Mar 2018 #195

They withheld them from me when I had a kidney stone. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #214

The very idea this happened to you makes me want to scream. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #221

I'm afraid of what's going to happen to me... Kittycow Mar 2018 #14

I deaths are caused when people become addicted, cannot renew prescription blake2012 Mar 2018 #19

I rarely say things like this - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #23

I am rethinking the way I expressed it. I lost 2 close relatives to cancer blake2012 Mar 2018 #29

No, making someone get a new Triplicate scrip every week , that they have to physically pick up Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #52

thank you; the current situation is criminal, and i'm not talking about the "addicts." nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #99

TPTB and rich fucks will get their medication. The little people of America, the majority, will RKP5637 Mar 2018 #209

The challenge is that imposing draconian limitations and barriers to needed pain meds Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #144

+1 CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #38

so your solution is to never allow people to have pain relief, so they won't get "addicted?" or to TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #69

I think there should be a bit more flexibility blake2012 Mar 2018 #73

that train has already left the station; people are suffering NOW, and this latest move is a step in TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #79

This epidemic was caused by medical negligence or at least wrong thinking blake2012 Mar 2018 #89

so what has caused every other drug "epidemic" this country has experienced? whatever the cause, TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #96

Here in Ohio...the addicts don't have prescriptions...they make the shit used. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #236

It was the stone age as far as pain relief. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #162

My oldest son tazkcmo Mar 2018 #94

Im sorry for your loss. No one is prescribing no treatment for chronic pain blake2012 Mar 2018 #101

YES THEY ARE!!!! what planet are you living on??? and gee, despite your run-in with percocet, you' TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #118

I strongly support what you said. pazzyanne Mar 2018 #132

Really? I still have morphine pills from the 90s... WyattKansas Mar 2018 #122

I don't think that happens that much, but the answer is not to end Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #241

We need balance. Doctors should be able to do brief write ups for waivers blake2012 Mar 2018 #250

As usual in the US with some of the idiots that make decisions, millions will suffer. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #20

Yep. They will suffer because of puritanical moralizing bullshit. kcr Mar 2018 #31

Feeling pain is the godly thing to do. Pray the pain away. We often live in a bullshit society! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #35

Try those thoughts & prayers CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #39

Mother Teresa thought that letting her patients suffer in pain with nothing to relieve it brought smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #172

Suffering is such a wonderful thing when it's someone else's. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #216

couldn't have said it better!!! ain't the Land Of The Free great? nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #86

They tried to cut my 90 year old aunt off CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #33

it's so stupid and cold-hearted RussBLib Mar 2018 #28

Mexico; i'm seriously considering it. how messed up is it when people in america have to literally TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #113

Last fall I read an article about a study finding increased alcohol use by elderly. suffragette Mar 2018 #26

Researchers are often not too bright. To me it's obvious why some older people drink. RKP5637 Mar 2018 #34

"research" is often driven by politics and dollars. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #50

Yep, sadly quite true. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #107

If "old" people can't get the pain OldHippieChick Mar 2018 #66

i wish i could turn to alcohol, but it makes me sick, so i'm just screwed. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #85

I wish we could try pot, but illegal as hell here. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #110

yep; the government tools will throw you in jail without a second thought, for having the audacity TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #121

And it's my fucken body. Damn, I am so fed up with this shit in the US. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #141

Given what a high percentage of opioids on the black market originated Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #27

Thank you! Was starting to feel out of sorts like reversing a negative trend is a bad thing blake2012 Mar 2018 #45

which negative trend do you think has been reversed? as this article noted, OD deaths continue to ri TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #49

Please read more deeply on the subject blake2012 Mar 2018 #55

i hope you get an excruciatingly painful chronic disease, and can get absolutely no pain relief. TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #47

Well I hope your never lose someone you love to opioid abuse Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #53

like i said, what about all the other people whose lives are ruined, ended, or diminished by the TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #91

Were not discussing prohibiting opioids. Straw man argument blake2012 Mar 2018 #95

oh yes you are; you aren't fooling anybody. if you have to literally be dying to be "entitled" to pa TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #97

No one made that claim either blake2012 Mar 2018 #104

That is what the ultimate outcome will be. Only those with influence and power will get medication Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #243

What you said is not true. Shorter duration of prescription blake2012 Mar 2018 #245

My sister in law was forced into pain management...and if the rules tighten more, she won't get it Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #246

Nobody is saying ban all opioids for those in true need Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #125

Why should elderly folks , many who have pain issues, pay the price for opioid addiction hysteria. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #233

Yeah sure, because suicide is so much better than an overdose. NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #109

Huh? Are you not acknowledging the high death toll due to opioid OD? blake2012 Mar 2018 #112

People arent dying from prescribed pain pills. NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #123

correct; nobody OD's on 2-3 tramadols/day. now we still have the OD deaths, and we've got people suf TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #127

you are wrong. please read through this to become better informed as to cause of opioid epidemic blake2012 Mar 2018 #128

really? people OD on 2-3 tramadols/day? or do they take a handful, get street heroin, and mix it wi TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #145

No I'm Right, and Research backs me up. NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #153

another quick article from drugabuse.gov blake2012 Mar 2018 #163

what about alcohol, cigarettes, car crashes, etc.? apparently nobody cares about those people. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #124

they do. were you someone who groused about laws forcing you to war a seat belt? blake2012 Mar 2018 #130

FAR MORE people die due to alcohol and cigs; should we have to get gov't/doctor approval before TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #148

They're not dying from taking pain medication - it's black tar heroin mixed with synthetic opiates NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #156

wrong blake2012 Mar 2018 #165

*Yawn* Did they pay you to post this? NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #173

why would you say that? blake2012 Mar 2018 #174

I'm tired of propaganda. I'm tired of moral panics. NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #177

you're really linking to Reason magazine? blake2012 Mar 2018 #182

And you're linking to the Trump Regime. I figured it fit right in. nt NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #184

now all of the rank and file departments within federal government are Trump? blake2012 Mar 2018 #185

It didn't go unnoticed that the rest of that previous post was ignored. NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #188

The folks who want to prevent you from getting your needed drugs arent in pain Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #68

see #64. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #102

Oh my the horror, we must of course stop all pain medication and ADD medication. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #242

I knew it, I knew this FUCKER would kill people eventually, pain kills. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #36

Pain prevents healing CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #40

We are under attack, we are at war. The right is trying to kill us, not just liberals but all of us Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #41

people are ALREADY suffering from this. the War on Drugs is a war on people. it's BS. TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #44

A true story here CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #74

guarantee you that person is not the only one who thought of that. heroin is cheaper on the black TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #136

I would be out of the US in an instant, but I have no options. The US is crazy in so many ways. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #115

i hear you. stay strong, as much as possible. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #131

It's never ending in the US. One damn punitive thing after another. Greatest place to live? RKP5637 Mar 2018 #142

I am sick of it CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #147

unfortunately, it looks like it's only going to get worse. the War on Drugs has been a fabulous TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #152

Good. Opiods are rarely used elsewhere in the world. Le Gaucher Mar 2018 #71

What do they use, for example, after a major operation? n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #111

See reply below .. My cousin got nothing more than a Tylenol after the anesthesia wore off Le Gaucher Mar 2018 #170

And you think that is a good thing? Percocet and hydrocodone are pain drugs and would Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #244

you're kidding, right? they might not use pharm. pills, but the opium is quite popular around the wo TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #134

No .. my cousin in Germany did not get an opiod after C-SECTION Le Gaucher Mar 2018 #169

C-sections are not especially painful surgeries. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #198

My wife got a Percocet and hydrocodone for a C-section recovery Le Gaucher Mar 2018 #200

That is not true...if they open the abdomen, it is one of the most painful surgeries there are...the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #247

Link because I don't believe that and lets concentrate on places where health care is available. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #234

The threat of withdrawal is a serious issue. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2018 #82

I am having rotator cuff surgery in a coupe weeks, apparently without prescription painkillers. Shrike47 Mar 2018 #138

I wish you luck CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #143

I've had some major surgery that hurt like hell with ample pain medication. I can't imagine going RKP5637 Mar 2018 #146

I'd be finding another doctor. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #157

the other poster said "non opioid" pain relief would not be used blake2012 Mar 2018 #166

I'd still be finding another doctor. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #168

Like what? There is no effective pain relief without opioids for many. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #237

I'd love for the opioid fear-mongers to break their pelis raven mad Mar 2018 #167

More reason we need to legalize marijuana ASAP WestwardWind Mar 2018 #175

I wanted to weigh in on this GaYellowDawg Mar 2018 #187

how long were you on the oxycodone if I may ask prior to finding out antihistamine was the solution? blake2012 Mar 2018 #191

Close to 2 months. GaYellowDawg Mar 2018 #215

Wow. Definitely understand. Pain is unbelievable to deal with. Only limited experience for me blake2012 Mar 2018 #217

Very well said. I really think those professing they are not needed have never been subjected to RKP5637 Mar 2018 #202

Ive not seen one person claiming pain meds arent needed blake2012 Mar 2018 #210

Someway, there needs to be a dividing line. Is it the pharmaceutical companies pushing drugs and/or RKP5637 Mar 2018 #211

I wholeheartedly agree with your post blake2012 Mar 2018 #212

I'm Libertarian on this issue MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #190

wow blake2012 Mar 2018 #193

Agree completely. n/t MicaelS Mar 2018 #196

I agree. People should be in control of their own bodies. The gov. should go after the abusers, not RKP5637 Mar 2018 #203

The black market has been alive and well for a while tymorial Mar 2018 #194

They are stupid laws that TPTB enact to say see, we did something. It's stupid and absurd. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #204

I stand with the people who will be denied pain meds for legit pain. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #197

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #206

Hasnt there been multiple studies recently tammywammy Mar 2018 #201

One study kcr Mar 2018 #205

I think it depends on the type of pain. I take prescription Naproxen for arthritis, twice a day, RKP5637 Mar 2018 #207

No. n/t Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #218

opiods enid602 Mar 2018 #219

Until very recently, codeine was an OTC medication there. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #223

opioid use enid602 Mar 2018 #224

Nothing in there about the UK. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #225

UK enid602 Mar 2018 #226

They don't use it for addicts. They use it in hospitals for management of severe pain. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #227

UK enid602 Mar 2018 #228

And they sometimes administer heroin to children, and codeine has been freely available OTC. n/t Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #230

Some people are just addictive; everyone else shouldn't pay price. radius777 Mar 2018 #229

Well said!!! Exactly!!! We see this crap all the time, the moral crusaders to punish all because of RKP5637 Mar 2018 #231

Exactly, the abusers will find it somewhere and the innocent will suffer needlessly. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #238

This is going to do the opposite of what is intended. alarimer Mar 2018 #232

K&R !!!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #251

And then we wonder why Heroin addiction rates are sky rocketing fescuerescue Mar 2018 #248

Often the US is void of intelligence. The US fuels black market things and then wonders why. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #253