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JHB

(37,158 posts)
37. There are different levels of engagement and forgiveness
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jul 2018

What engagement needs, first and foremost, is someone on the other side who is willing to engage, as Weissman was. It can take effort to find them -- it's definitely missionary work or selling to a very reluctant customer -- you have to accept the success rate will be low. Not everyone has the temperament for that sort of work, but it does need to be done, if only to plant seeds in the cracks of the brick wall that might eventually sprout later on.

And once you find the ones who are willing to admit they were wrong about Trump, you can move into talking with them about "why did they think that?", "was that really true?", and "what other things are you just as sure about as you were about Trump, and are you willing to consider you may be wrong about those too?"

However, there's a difference between people who might be reachable if they can be weaned off their daily dose of foam from FOX and other RW bubble suppliers, and with high-profile people who may be saying terrific anti-Trump stuff now but who entirely sidestep their own careers as workers and managers in that foam-factory.

Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson, Charlie Sykes, and other "NeverTrumpers", and Joe Scarborough get a lot of time and attention these days, but they are not our friends. We're not in an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation with these guys.

It's more of a "the enemy of my enemy is the guy who will shiv me in the kidneys the moment I've done his dirty work for him" kind of situation.

These people spent their careers as Republican political consultants and conservative media people playing upon the same themes Trump does in order to deliver votes for conservative Republican candidates so that they would have the numbers to pass their own favored agenda.

But backfiring is inevitable for a long-term strategy of "vote for us and we'll take care of the bullshit things you hat and fear." It creates an expectation that they're never able to really deliver on ... and your target audience will still believe those things, but will turn on you for being weak and ineffectual.

That's where most of the high-profile anti-Trump conservatives are, and they don't get forgiveness until there's some sign they won't go straight back to their old comfortable spots and habits the moment they see an opportunity.

There are a rare few of those who do qualify, ones who have publicly said they were wrong and OMG, vote for Democrats so we can stop this madness. But they are still much too rare.


The thrill is gone from your willingness to sell out America. oasis Jul 2018 #1
Those who convert from tRumpism to the light may become super activist for our cause TexasProgresive Jul 2018 #2
I'll always Welcome anyone who Cha Jul 2018 #4
Me too. We must put aside our anger and welcome people back. Pobeka Jul 2018 #16
Just like addicts tazkcmo Jul 2018 #28
There are different levels of engagement and forgiveness JHB Jul 2018 #37
Great post. Boomerproud Jul 2018 #38
I find it interesting, too, Blue_Adept.. Cha Jul 2018 #3
I was also interested in how there are these larger DM groups that orchestrate Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #6
When I was young, I was taught catrose Jul 2018 #32
good handmade34 Jul 2018 #5
"trying to heal the division is our only option" Martin Eden Jul 2018 #8
It's like a disease in some ways Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #13
+1 Martin Eden Jul 2018 #27
Well said! n/t Pobeka Jul 2018 #17
Interesting... paleotn Jul 2018 #11
he is jewish so probably heard the anti jewish hate from that crowd JI7 Jul 2018 #7
The Trump-Troll comments on the piece complement the writing teach1st Jul 2018 #9
It's a shame these people didn't pry themselves away from Faux News before the election. Vinca Jul 2018 #10
Decades of Hillary-hate wasn't going to be broken easily Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #14
I've been working on fact-based interventions. Snarkoleptic Jul 2018 #12
They may have regrets, as well they should. But they have NOT crossed to the good side. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #15
They may have regrets, but..... joshdawg Jul 2018 #22
Exactly. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #36
Hey David.... spanone Jul 2018 #18
Keep on keeping on Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #20
Boy does this have a familiar look to it. Snotcicles Jul 2018 #19
And yet somehow I still don't trust this guy. brush Jul 2018 #21
Trust is earned. joshdawg Jul 2018 #23
+1 dalton99a Jul 2018 #35
Yeah, I am a little suspicious as well. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #24
I don't see him asking anyone for trust? Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #25
Ok, that's all well and good, I'll still keep the side eye on him and others... brush Jul 2018 #26
Yeah, that guy running for Al Franken's old seat? catrose Jul 2018 #29
Exactly. Put in some sweat equity first. brush Jul 2018 #31
Silverman has the patience of Job, it seems. Good on her. hlthe2b Jul 2018 #30
She's had several of these things happen, not just Trump per se but single-issue focus people Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #33
People can change. No matter how much others might try to dismiss that mythology Jul 2018 #34
They're grandfathered in at this point. Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #39
There are lessons here for DU. Jim Lane Jul 2018 #40
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