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In reply to the discussion: If they teach the Thai kids to dive to get them out of the caves they should [View all]applegrove
(118,659 posts)174. I'm on it for ptsd so I know. I've also dived before.
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If they teach the Thai kids to dive to get them out of the caves they should [View all]
applegrove
Jul 2018
OP
I'll go with whatever guidance the doctors actually with them are recommending.
brooklynite
Jul 2018
#15
Why don't they tag team each of the kids (put 2 experienced cave persons w/ ...
SWBTATTReg
Jul 2018
#2
I'm guessing it would require cave certified divers and the kids would have to trained to scuba div
CentralMass
Jul 2018
#5
Yeah, the first couple of BBC articles I read said 2-3 km. The more recent ones
tblue37
Jul 2018
#155
thanks for the map... and I note that I was correct in a later post in this thread
lapfog_1
Jul 2018
#47
Yes but if the kids panic they could easily drown. And they could take the master diver
applegrove
Jul 2018
#8
I think poster is trying to suggest non-sedative drugs like beta blockers--likewise with risks
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#167
Experienced divers will not be able to be side by side nor closer tha five feet from them...
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#83
They can be really specific with the drugs that will not reduce alertness but suppresses
applegrove
Jul 2018
#9
Of course they need training. But they also need meds that calm fear and do not affect
applegrove
Jul 2018
#31
I'm on meds for ptsd. I know how it feels to be medicated not to fear. I am alert.
applegrove
Jul 2018
#36
ridicuous... these are healthy teens and they don't need drugs they need training
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#41
The South American miners who were rescued by drilling a few years ago had to wait 2 months.
applegrove
Jul 2018
#46
Training is what will prevent panic, not dulling drugs which are intensely dangerous!
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#57
and I keep telling you that drugs have side effects including on blood pressure.
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#62
what happens if one of the kids has a bad reaction to your proposed anti-anxiety drug?
lapfog_1
Jul 2018
#67
but you said "your" proposed medication" and I'm arguing vehemently against meds..
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#73
Yes...that is why I mentioned them specifically, but the changes on blood pressure could be
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#149
This is not "scuba diving." This is cave diving for children who do not even know how to swim.
Tipperary
Jul 2018
#59
I'm talking about kids in a really difficult situation. I mean meds. Maybe my use of the term drugs
applegrove
Jul 2018
#110
And at least two were severely hypothermic and at least one seriously bradycardic as a result They
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#184
And at least two were severely hypothermic and at least one seriously bradycardic as a result
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#183
Ahh, no! You said "would be deadly" which it was not. Just admit you were wrong. nt
USALiberal
Jul 2018
#188
Bradycardia and hypothermia IS deadly. They were well monitored. That doesn't make it SAFE
hlthe2b
Jul 2018
#189
Yes. I'm sure the solution will be a combination of things and brilliant. For
applegrove
Jul 2018
#14
At one place it is that narrow. In other parts it is much wider and is a cave.
applegrove
Jul 2018
#22
almost all cave systems are tunnels underground... with the occasional chamber
lapfog_1
Jul 2018
#79
My guess is that it will end in tunneling down. The diving seems too complex even with some
braddy
Jul 2018
#19
The South American miners who were rescued by drilling a few years ago had to wait 2 months
applegrove
Jul 2018
#20
Those were adult men and pro-miners who made their living in mines, I wouldn't want to manage
braddy
Jul 2018
#25
I know. Thats why the kids need meds. Right now. Adults can better regulate their feelings
applegrove
Jul 2018
#30
Drugging them for months doesn't seem very useful to me, it seems more harmful and disabling.
braddy
Jul 2018
#37
I am talking about anti depressants that will give them a strong baseline for stress.
applegrove
Jul 2018
#39
I'm sure that they can sedate one if he loses control, but only if that happens. I don't see why
braddy
Jul 2018
#49
I doubt they would be drilling at the exact spot the kids are, also, they still have a lot of
braddy
Jul 2018
#111
yeah, that would be a bad idea. You absolutely need all of your faculties and reflexes when diving.
lapfog_1
Jul 2018
#24
Thanks for pointing the difficulties of such a rescue out. I can imagine ...
SWBTATTReg
Jul 2018
#33
I cannot understand their being in that cave without shoes and proper clothing.
Tipperary
Jul 2018
#65
I'm not talking about turning them into zombies. I'm talking about increasing their ability to cope.
applegrove
Jul 2018
#42
starting the training is a good idea - get masks on them - get them underwater a bit
DrDan
Jul 2018
#106
I just don't think kids are prepared for a grewling maze of tunnels and cave that only the steeliest
applegrove
Jul 2018
#123
I think if they were given anti anxiety medication for a few weeks they could be monitored
applegrove
Jul 2018
#128
It is just so scary. I want them safely out. At least they have full on masks
applegrove
Jul 2018
#135
i think the problem is the narrow spaces where they can't get things through easily enough
JI7
Jul 2018
#138
Yes, I should delete that post. I figure it out when I read more of the replies.
Laffy Kat
Jul 2018
#141
I think there are all kinds of grownups with them all the time at this point. I hear a doctor went
applegrove
Jul 2018
#140
Giving meds to children who you have no idea of their reactions or allergies while trapped in a cave
Lee-Lee
Jul 2018
#147
Nope. I did not call the tethering of the kids to their lead diver which makes
applegrove
Jul 2018
#186