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In reply to the discussion: Why can't we be better about branding? Why are some progressives so determined [View all]AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)33. it's called social capitalism not socialism. go to webster dictionary
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Why can't we be better about branding? Why are some progressives so determined [View all]
pnwmom
Jul 2018
OP
Conservatives frame the New Deal as "socialism", and thus equivalent to Warsaw Pact Police states
JHB
Jul 2018
#17
liberals just need to destroy the talk radio psyops, otherwise national discussions
certainot
Jul 2018
#66
Isn't it annoying that words have actually meaning, and you can't just change their definition?
brooklynite
Jul 2018
#3
You are absolutely right. Thing is, they seem to be using it a lot more very recently
OnDoutside
Jul 2018
#5
On the other hand... Since a lot of tRump supporters are grateful to the USSR (er, I mean Russia)
alwaysinasnit
Jul 2018
#9
'People in her district in NY are very different from most of the rest of the country'
melman
Jul 2018
#78
Except what she (and Bernie and all other Democratic candidates they support)
Celerity
Jul 2018
#189
No, I was specifically responding to your positing it was a socialist economy.
Celerity
Jul 2018
#198
IMO it is branding and advance promotion for 2020 campaign by a prominent non-democrat nt
msongs
Jul 2018
#15
I don't know. All I know is the word "socialist" has too many negative associations.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#22
I like Progressive. It's far from perfect, but better than anything else I can think of...
TreasonousBastard
Jul 2018
#37
Nothing, really, except that these labels keep popping up whther we like it or not, so...
TreasonousBastard
Jul 2018
#109
No, you don't "own" a label assigned to you by your opponent. You continue to "own" your own label.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2018
#123
Most people in the south will react more to "socialist" than to "progressive."
Honeycombe8
Jul 2018
#91
Agree. I'd love to see us like Denmark, without the racism, but "socialism" scares
Hoyt
Jul 2018
#20
We should somehow bring out the concept of "get your fair share of the wealth YOU helped create."
Squinch
Jul 2018
#27
Calling regulation of capitalism "socialism," is wrong and just plays into the hands of the GOP.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#52
FDR was NOT as socialist. To equate him with that is wrong. Modern socialists are tagging along.
tonyt53
Jul 2018
#38
Because that phrase contains the word "socialist." Which has acquired negative connotations
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#44
Like cowards we hide from stigmatizing of "LIBeral" as well, as if the meaning of "free" is bad.
ancianita
Jul 2018
#48
"For the people" and "We the People" are constitutional. We are FOR society. Social. ists.
ancianita
Jul 2018
#50
I don't think the word liberal is as bad, because it's not connected with Soviet Socialist Republic
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#51
I don't know...right wing outlets (ie, hate radio, fux, etc.) have demonized the word.
BlancheSplanchnik
Jul 2018
#76
To win an election. Why be so attached to a word that is connected to the Soviet Socialist Republic
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#54
N.Chomsky: "B. Sanders is not a socialist. He's a decent, honest New-Dealer."
AtomicKitten
Jul 2018
#55
I'd prefer the term New-Dealer myself. But some market research is in order. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#57
I don't care about making anyone happy. I just want voters to vote for the Democrat
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#62
Well, you can't get elected to high office as a socialist in the U.S. Even Bernie knows that. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#70
Then you're not a socialist, you just believe in well regulated capitalism, like the rest us.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#96
If you don't think government should own all means of production, then you are not a socialist.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#106
Like the way gay has always meant happy, and always will because words can't change?
Kentonio
Jul 2018
#110
I lived in Europe too. Socialists say a lot of stuff, but that doesn't make it true.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#159
Our disagreement does not change the fact that there are no European socialist countries.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#167
Ah I should have known that any attempt to ease disagreement would be met with intransigence.
Kentonio
Jul 2018
#169
Your 'facts' are about as accurate as those we're thrown each week at White House briefings
Kentonio
Jul 2018
#199
I cited the Websters definition of socialism, i.e. government ownership of the means of production.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#104
You can't expect the American people to use your complicated definition instead of
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#116
If you Google "Socialist Mayors" you see that it was more common 100 years ago.
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2018
#85
Many of those calling themselves "socialist" don't even understand what socialism is.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#88
Your friends on the right call every candidate a 'socialist'... even Manchin
RandiFan1290
Jul 2018
#113
If Democrats are going to use the term they must constantly remind people what Medicare,
Vinca
Jul 2018
#117
IOW, we have to re-educate 300 million people. How about just use a better word
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#118
Becauase socialist is becoming less and less a dirty word as people are acquainted with it and its
JCanete
Jul 2018
#127
People are not increasingly selling the notion of ownership of production. If that's what people
JCanete
Jul 2018
#133
That's what the USA Socialist party is advocating for. Why do we use the same name
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#134
There are LOTS of words that aren't connected with the Soviet Socialist Republic.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#136
If you are not advocating government ownership of production, then you are not a socialist.
SunSeeker
Jul 2018
#137
I don't think you are correct. The wiki page has a far broader definition of socialism that can
JCanete
Jul 2018
#138
It is a word that has been losing its boogieman quality, so I see no reason to try to rebrand
JCanete
Jul 2018
#140
No, you are continuing to narrowly define what is socialist, but don't seem to have the same
JCanete
Jul 2018
#150
Not in all things. And regulation is a check on that free market. I'll accept that you don't think
JCanete
Jul 2018
#152
Because in the near future; Fox News, right wing leaders, religious right officials, Trump, and
ck4829
Jul 2018
#154
Adopting a label that doesn't describe us is the opposite of what we should be doing.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#155
The average American has no positive associations with the word "socialist" or "socialism."
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#163
That's because you ARE a socialist. The vast majority of Democrats and Americans are not,
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#178
So what are we going to call ourselves after progressive is sufficiently demonized.
Glamrock
Jul 2018
#183
Plenty of Democrats and Independents are put off by the term, and accept the dictionary definition.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#188
Do you have a link for that, please? I can't find anything more recent than 2016.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#191
But all of these polls still show that large numbers of Democrats and leaners --
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#194