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In reply to the discussion: South Carolina Democrats: Better if Sanders 'got lost' (don't shoot the messanger, AP story) [View all]Gothmog
(145,725 posts)376. I answered your silly question
Last edited Sat Oct 13, 2018, 01:42 PM - Edit history (1)
The fact that you do not like the answer may explain why sanders will never be the nominee of the Democratic Party. Southerns do not believe in magical voter revolutions and so Southerns did not take sanders seriously.
There are plenty of progressives in the south. Senator DOUG Jones is a progressive. Beto, Colin Alfred, Lizzie Fletcher are all progressives
If sanders wants to be taken seriously in the South, sanders should spend his time in Vermont getting his magical single payer plan adopted
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South Carolina Democrats: Better if Sanders 'got lost' (don't shoot the messanger, AP story) [View all]
Tavarious Jackson
Oct 2018
OP
..right, like the response itself wasn't the divisive part. If you think that what it is that is
JCanete
Oct 2018
#12
whatever it is people think and are talkiing about here that needs to pull moderates to vote for
JCanete
Oct 2018
#19
What does appealing to Trump voters/republicans mean to you? What is it that should be avoided?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#98
Yes, we've disagreed about what unicorns look like versus horses...and now we as a party have mostly
JCanete
Oct 2018
#113
again, no we aren't going to stop talking about BS because he keeps being brought up
JCanete
Oct 2018
#131
wow, you totally missed that one. People were calling unicorns what were possible and practical
JCanete
Oct 2018
#177
I was making a point, you were talking about unicorns existing, even though, according to you,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#191
Well your feeling, if you are including me in that category would be wrong. Look at my own posting
JCanete
Oct 2018
#338
Fair point actually, but in my case you were wrong with this one, and the bigger assumption here,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#347
It's Republicans who don't want higher minimum wage, education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc.
betsuni
Oct 2018
#103
I'm trying to understand what it is we don't want to talk about so that we can appeal to middle of
JCanete
Oct 2018
#107
I don't understand your question about what would appeal to Trump voters/Republicans,
betsuni
Oct 2018
#126
What? There was a primary? Establishment Dems skewed the electoral college?
DemocracyMouse
Oct 2018
#57
If Bernie were to show up, Democrats in South Carolina could lose all their power in that state
Uncle Joe
Oct 2018
#211
I've asked others who have refused to answer. How would him showing up do any of that?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#385
Instead of wasting the time of voters in South Carolina talking about his magical
Gothmog
Oct 2018
#390
Sanders most valuable asset right now is that people nationally are listening to him. Creating
JCanete
Oct 2018
#391
Could that be why he's the only Congressional legislator (House AND Senate) who has voted against...
George II
Oct 2018
#395
Putin must be happy with these votes but putin was helping sanders to help trump
Gothmog
Oct 2018
#399
Voting for and financially supporting candidates who will challenge big corporate control is a good
JCanete
Oct 2018
#397
I literally told you how Tapper's own bullshit in the interview with Ocasio-Cortez was
JCanete
Oct 2018
#404
They weren't trying to get Sanders to win. They were trying to hurt Clinton. That should be obvious,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#398
These efforts kept sanders in the primary far after he was mathematically eliminated
Gothmog
Oct 2018
#400
"Let people campaign." Yes, you're correct, they should campaign. But unfortunately ....
George II
Oct 2018
#244
from my perspective? yeah. I kind of think you have to vocally advocate for things in order for them
JCanete
Oct 2018
#49
I know that there is a mainstream block of democrats who simply do not like Sanders
JCanete
Oct 2018
#135
Yes, and everythign I said applies. I don't see any actual evidence that this hurts them,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#146
No I do not see what you mean. So a republican is linking a candidate who has linked himself to
JCanete
Oct 2018
#170
no, you are simply privileging the perspective of particular democrats who share your world
JCanete
Oct 2018
#178
That sounds like working together to you? I don't get it, and listening to the bombastic rhetoric,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#183
He's going to the state less than three weeks before the election and yet he's not campaigning...
George II
Oct 2018
#243
It's curious that he hasn't endorsed the Democratic Governor candidate or...
George II
Oct 2018
#247
This is why Bernie got his ass handed to him in SC - and will again if he tries to run in 2020
EffieBlack
Oct 2018
#268
No. I was very clear in the question I asked. You are ignoring it to meander somewhere else
Autumn
Oct 2018
#375
I remember asking in 2016 - repeatedly - why didn't Bernie harness his *revolution"
EffieBlack
Oct 2018
#374
Excellent question. With such power at hand, why wasn't it used for a greater purpose?
NurseJackie
Oct 2018
#410
I have no idea what you're talking about, how Bernie is doing any harm by energizing those who
JCanete
Oct 2018
#386
Not at all. I don't care what a few politicians who clearly seem to disdain sanders,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#384
that doesn't make sense to me. The " doers,"(those I assume you are associating with the term)
JCanete
Oct 2018
#159
I've had this conversation many times. Do you count things like No child left behind as legislative
JCanete
Oct 2018
#260
I wasn't calling his opposition a legislative accomplishment silly...I was asking if NCLB's passing
JCanete
Oct 2018
#265
Here are a very familiar person's words on the NYT, as recently as a couple weeks ago....
JCanete
Oct 2018
#294
First, I'm less concerned about Sanders specifically, though my point still stands,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#296
If its anythign I haven't already heard I'd be surprised, and I dont' find most of it that
JCanete
Oct 2018
#317
Given that you believe in magic and that sanders has magical powers, I have no doubt that you will
Gothmog
Oct 2018
#326
I live in the real world and I am curious as to what you propose to do to fix corporate media
Gothmog
Oct 2018
#345
But who voted against it? Who voted against banning guns from Amtrak? And while we're at it....
George II
Oct 2018
#308
The russia sanctions bill I understand. YOu're talking about the same one Kerry opposed right?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#337
We're discussing those who were in a position to vote for or against it, and those who voted "nay".
George II
Oct 2018
#350
Well, for one my point wasn't simply that "well Kerry didn't like it either." My point was
JCanete
Oct 2018
#354
yes to positions that have literally been called unicorns because of that slight difference. nt
JCanete
Oct 2018
#256
hmmm...I thought Maven was wrong but then you chimed in adding your voice in support,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#364
Third Way/neoliberal/triangulation/Reagan Democrat are both-sides-same insults.
betsuni
Oct 2018
#406
according to what? Where is the evidence that his appearnce does that? Serious question.
JCanete
Oct 2018
#13
How does that relate to my question? And we know how much people voted for him in the primary.
JCanete
Oct 2018
#23
We know that Democrats in large numbers do not vote for him, it's been proven.....
George II
Oct 2018
#27
He engerizes some voters other candidates don't. He has certainly helped to make 3rd rail positions
JCanete
Oct 2018
#28
The problem is pretending things are third rails when they aren't and shouldn't be. Turns out if
JCanete
Oct 2018
#32
Sorry, I have NO idea of what you're talking about, nor do I have any idea of what the second half..
George II
Oct 2018
#34
neither of us probably knows what the other is talking about. I'm clearly missing your point,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#55
at least a small amount. So did this somehow corroborate your statement that this means few?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#110
okay, yet it wasn't what I meant, nor what the word means so...I guess read it how you will?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#122
nor is it rocket science to understand that I said there are some voters Sanders energizes
JCanete
Oct 2018
#290
according to who? Show me evidence of that? That wouldn't gel with his actual popularity amongst
JCanete
Oct 2018
#115
You can only raise money from big money interests if your own agenda does not belie theirs.
JCanete
Oct 2018
#188
That "backed primarily by small donations" is a misnomer, it's not what happened. You should pore..
George II
Oct 2018
#240
You'll have to point me to the specific data you're referring to...from his FEC filings
JCanete
Oct 2018
#264
oh fuck, come on. so I just talked about the primaries, so I was hardly trying to trick you into
JCanete
Oct 2018
#269
Apparently, according to the article in the OP, he is turning off Democrats as well.
George II
Oct 2018
#230
maybe, but its not like that isn't about the 1%. The tie-in is pretty fucking easy.
JCanete
Oct 2018
#20
He's doing something with Our Revolution, which did invite him to speak. So what on earth
JCanete
Oct 2018
#52
To South Carolina? The Our Revolution chapter in South Carolina? Do they need to be
JCanete
Oct 2018
#58
Normally this deep into a General Election campaign a candidate spends most of his/her time....
George II
Oct 2018
#79
Your point is not one I agree with, though you've made it frequently enough. Sanders has
JCanete
Oct 2018
#142
No seat is "locked up" - I direct you to Hillary Clinton's seat in 2016, and most recently....
George II
Oct 2018
#147
except that your argument still balances on the precarious assumption that what he is
JCanete
Oct 2018
#160
I don't know what he's going to do with that money, but where did it come from?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#261
We don't know where it came from - 76% of the $9.8 million he's collected is "unitemized"....
George II
Oct 2018
#266
and what is his stance on prisons, particularly private ones, but incarceration in general?
JCanete
Oct 2018
#190
What do you mean he has no voice? He uses his voice and vote power to advocate for federal
JCanete
Oct 2018
#195
It is a major problem. It isn't on Sanders that the State incarcerates at the level it does,
JCanete
Oct 2018
#310
Marginalized constituents in VT are better served by BS using his bully pulpit
lapucelle
Oct 2018
#318
Our Revolution has endorsed only one Congressional candidate and two State Rep candidates....
George II
Oct 2018
#130
Ah, the ol' double negative two-step. Let's turn that around and be more direct.....
George II
Oct 2018
#37
So the same could be said of anybody who goes anywhere, which makes it a worthless comment.
JCanete
Oct 2018
#59
To say he wasn't invited means very little if it is going to be broadened out to the level that you
JCanete
Oct 2018
#89
Once again, I have no idea of what that all means. I'll leave it at that except.....
George II
Oct 2018
#93
how so? The point was made that he wasn't invited, whiich is, to my mind pretty silly. You decided
JCanete
Oct 2018
#102
So are a lot of things here. I'll try to do better Cha. Thankfully you are never rude and insulting.
JCanete
Oct 2018
#91
heh...okay, thanks for letting me know. Feel free to let me know if this one was. nt
JCanete
Oct 2018
#104
Considering how poorly he did in the South, I'm wondering who invited him, and what's changed?
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2018
#18
It's just visibility for a 2020 run, but boy is he in a bubble. I'm hoping he starts to see that
seaglass
Oct 2018
#21
The "frightened cabal at the top worried about their large corporate donators" are Republicans.
betsuni
Oct 2018
#65
Please give me a couple of examples of Democrats receiving large corporate donations and changing
betsuni
Oct 2018
#88
I keep hearing that Bill & Hillary are rich corporatists controlled by Goldman Sachs
betsuni
Oct 2018
#202
It's about hypocrisy. Like when a politician labels others with derogatory accusations
R B Garr
Oct 2018
#297
maybe one day we won't have to talk about it all the time because people pretending it isn't a
JCanete
Oct 2018
#196
Hillary won the Democratic Party primary there w/over 73%. Sanders came in at 26%.
Honeycombe8
Oct 2018
#80
May I ask why do you have that GIF of a little girl being tossed to a lake to drown?
lunamagica
Oct 2018
#193
I know...I've seen it and it's horrific. I just can't think how that violence against a child
lunamagica
Oct 2018
#333
Yes, you are correct George and must correct what I said. Violence against ANYONE
lunamagica
Oct 2018
#342
Every four years, every state in the Union holds a primary or caucus, even the reddest of the red.
George II
Oct 2018
#286
Used to love him but now his selfishness just pisses me off. He doesn't care if he sinks the Dem.
kerry-is-my-prez
Oct 2018
#63
He has changed. He became a multi-millionaire in the last two years. He now owns four homes
lunamagica
Oct 2018
#192
It's interesting that he's campaigning for relatively minor candidates in South Carolina and yet....
George II
Oct 2018
#118
no need to take it personally. OBama and Beto are both keeping distance from each other
JI7
Oct 2018
#174
It's curious that many times that he's criticized it is because of "hatred", not policy differences.
George II
Oct 2018
#274
It was one of those "you prove to me" a negative, which is way too open-ended.....
George II
Oct 2018
#348
Not by a candidate, which is the measure of "winning" -- when you win an election.
R B Garr
Oct 2018
#282
He was "invited" by Our Revolution, an organization that he created in August 2016.
George II
Oct 2018
#285
Exactly. His own organization is inviting him, lol. No Democratic candidates did.
R B Garr
Oct 2018
#298
Yet I got an email from him this afternoon, along with a bunch of other statements, he said this:
George II
Oct 2018
#300
Yes, he was invited by HIS organization! You do realize who founded Our Revolution, don't you?
George II
Oct 2018
#283
We continually hear that he "vigorously", or "energetically", or "heartily" supported....
George II
Oct 2018
#292
I generally avoid commenting on the Bernie related posts because they generally devolve into
dameatball
Oct 2018
#262