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27. C'mon, kids know if they were exceptional students or slackers.

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 08:14 PM

Mar 2019

They know. These kids might be suffering from Influenza, but they know money got them into a top notch school, not their crappy academic record. They might not know the details, but they have some inkling that someone, someplace, was manipulating the levers of power to finagle a spot for them a prestigious university. They know they didn't work for it and they don't deserve the opportunity, and will probably not do any better at a university than they did in high school.

Why should they have squatters rights simply because their families are wealthy enough to buy them an acceptance letter when there are kids with brilliant academic records who got the door slammed in their faces because their parents weren't rich enough to bribe the right officials.

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Should the students who benefited from deceit be expelled? [View all] aikoaiko Mar 2019 OP

Yes freepotter Mar 2019 #1

USC (Lori Lauglin) University Policy. TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #57

If they knew? Yes. Otherwise no. Just MHO. Adrahil Mar 2019 #85

There's no way those kids didn't know mommy & daddy were sprinkling their college with wads of cash! TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #90

Totally agree. Chin music Mar 2019 #103

"Mom, Dad... I had no idea I was accepted on USC's crew. What the fuck is a crew?" TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #113

"Look it you little shit bird...Mom and Dad paid BIG BUCKS for you to get into Chin music Mar 2019 #115

Doesn't have something to do with wreaking. democratisphere Mar 2019 #187

Policy enid602 Mar 2019 #137

Wanda Austin is the interim USC president Zorro Mar 2019 #178

Yes caraher Mar 2019 #2

That screws Biden's run for POTUS right? AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #154

Does it? caraher Mar 2019 #169

He's got palgerism issues that have ruined 2 POTUS runs. AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #170

Then it was already a problem independent of this case caraher Mar 2019 #177

Depends, those who knew yes... those who didn't no 4139 Mar 2019 #3

C'mon, kids know if they were exceptional students or slackers. procon Mar 2019 #27

The few that didn't know, didn't do anything wrong. lostnfound Mar 2019 #29

How could they not know? Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #31

Because they're fucking stupid. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #60

lol. Joe941 Mar 2019 #82

Every student knows their grade points and SAT test scores. procon Mar 2019 #35

Rich kids go to private schools unitedwethrive Mar 2019 #41

That is not necessarily true about private schools Dream Girl Mar 2019 #159

Not if the proctor changed some of the answers FBaggins Mar 2019 #84

It wasn't a few -- the FBI stated almost none were aware obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #53

Doesn't matter... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #157

They had to have known mercuryblues Mar 2019 #181

Most of them would have known... meadowlander Mar 2019 #43

By and large, they did not get scholarship - Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #175

If they knew and acquiesced, yes. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #4

Not if they didn't know about it beforehand... ADX Mar 2019 #5

A GPA of 3, And They Didn't Know? ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #14

Not necessarily... ADX Mar 2019 #18

They Should, Shouldn't They? ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #48

The reporting indicates that some of the kids did not know. FBaggins Mar 2019 #78

there is also the possibility that some of the kids were actually smart... Javaman Mar 2019 #87

According to the prosecutors, some kids did not know MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #107

When my kids were accepted to their colleges FM123 Mar 2019 #6

i voted yes, assuming they knew about it Takket Mar 2019 #7

Their degree, if any should be revoked..they should have to test and apply - n/t asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #8

If they didn't know, let them finish the year and not be allowed back. AJT Mar 2019 #9

Well if their getting in was by deceit, it would seem they need to reapply Beringia Mar 2019 #10

Yes. In all cases they are taking the place of another student The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #11

Absolutely YES Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #92

Not sure how they compare? Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #100

I believe that your answer is provided in post 98 Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #109

It dreamer kids parents were as rich as these kids parents are, GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #98

Your trolling is tedious DBoon Mar 2019 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #143

Msybe he's learning his lesson because he's deleting all his posts. defacto7 Mar 2019 #190

Definitely Yes ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #93

Not Comparable ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #185

the daughters of Lori L had to know... they were admitted as fake members of a sports team Demovictory9 Mar 2019 #15

One of Lori L's daughters sounds like she didn't even want to be there in the first place crazycatlady Mar 2019 #68

This is amazing jberryhill Mar 2019 #71

Just what we need...another round of clueless Khardashian types. Chin music Mar 2019 #116

I ask because at first I was a Yes for expulsion if they knew, but now I'm just a yes. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #16

kick them out and make them re-apply DBoon Mar 2019 #17

Ditto! BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #132

of course not, just to one who commit admissions fraud DBoon Mar 2019 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #145

I'd be surprised if it isn't automatic. And no refunds. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #19

Did our "athletes" claim it on their applications? Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #20

Of course. Codeine Mar 2019 #21

If they knew, yes happybird Mar 2019 #22

If they had no part in the fraud, they should be allowed to finish the semester LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #23

only if they willingly participated in these schemes. nt msongs Mar 2019 #24

If the students should never have been accepted... Lancero Mar 2019 #26

And the tuition refund would probably go to customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #33

there is no reason to refund tuition if the kids were going there JI7 Mar 2019 #34

If the student did the work to earn their degree, how do you hughee99 Mar 2019 #37

When the students filled out applications... Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #39

Why is it almost impossible they didn't know? hughee99 Mar 2019 #40

The students themselved would have to report false info Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #46

Not all of the applicants required cheating on tests hughee99 Mar 2019 #56

If they cheated to get into the school, meadowlander Mar 2019 #45

I did hear on NPR that happened. cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #58

I don't think the kids get to stay. MissB Mar 2019 #67

Not all of these students required fake scores, and not all of them hughee99 Mar 2019 #61

So much data is transmitted electronically nowadays MissB Mar 2019 #66

How can one be sure mercuryblues Mar 2019 #69

So are you assuming academic fraud and assuming they should have known? hughee99 Mar 2019 #70

As I said mercuryblues Mar 2019 #72

In some cases, all the parent bought was a coach from hughee99 Mar 2019 #77

So on the application the sport was listed mercuryblues Mar 2019 #79

No. The kid played the sport for school and listed it. hughee99 Mar 2019 #81

That's why they were photoshopping mercuryblues Mar 2019 #88

I see the cnn story did not have this part hughee99 Mar 2019 #89

I wonder if this is the case the FBI was working mercuryblues Mar 2019 #104

I went to public school in a rural area. Less than 400 kids in high school. hughee99 Mar 2019 #122

If your parents rob a bank and put the money in a trust fund for you meadowlander Mar 2019 #94

So are you not a fan of DACA and want to deport the children hughee99 Mar 2019 #96

Kids in DACA aren't given citizenship. meadowlander Mar 2019 #99

The kids in DACA have an advantage toward citizenship over the children hughee99 Mar 2019 #101

I don't think it's okay for them to benefit, meadowlander Mar 2019 #186

You keep saying stolen goods like they stole an education. hughee99 Mar 2019 #188

See post 43 meadowlander Mar 2019 #191

While I agree that for students that did the work, a fair hughee99 Mar 2019 #192

My job is largely working with young adults preparing for high stakes testing Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #179

Expelled defacto7 Mar 2019 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #108

BY definition, Dreamers are transparent about their status and working on legitimate means of access aikoaiko Mar 2019 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #119

I thought we were talking about college admissions. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #123

My point is that Dreamers did not deceive college admissions processes. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #130

Did these kids? AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #138

Their parents paid six to seven figure bribes to get into the country? kcr Mar 2019 #182

No, not at all. Those are two completely different subjects. defacto7 Mar 2019 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #126

You need to explain how you can ask the question. defacto7 Mar 2019 #131

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #136

Sorry. There's no double standard. defacto7 Mar 2019 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #146

Ok... one more time... defacto7 Mar 2019 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #148

I'd think the kids would want to withdraw and go elsewhere or take time off Hoyt Mar 2019 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #149

Old Geezer, go oil your gunz. Tell your buddies on the Discussionist, "Hoyt said Hi." Hoyt Mar 2019 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #158

Must be in a bad mood today, OldGeezer. Got any comments on politics? Hoyt Mar 2019 #161

I can say I'm not "OldGeezer".....that's something else you got wrong AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #163

No Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2019 #44

Agreed -- there is a lot of meanness in this thread obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #54

I have sympathy for the innocent students, but allowing them to stay delegitimizes admissions aikoaiko Mar 2019 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #172

Its a different situation. I know you love this analogy. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #176

I agree. Fortunately, the colleges are deciding quietly, case-by-case, it seems. Chemisse Mar 2019 #164

That's good news Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #165

I get the compassion for the kids, but its compassion for fraud, too. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #193

Yes, they are benefitting from fraud. fleur-de-lisa Mar 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #125

Yes, but BlueSpot Mar 2019 #38

Yes. I have zero hesitation in that belief too. I don't care if they didn't know and I SweetieD Mar 2019 #42

Yes, regardless of whether the kids knew or not. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #47

Yes, no exceptions. zazfan Mar 2019 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #171

If the kid knew about it definitely yes. If the kid didn't know about it and is serious and doing Vinca Mar 2019 #50

Unfortunately, Yes dlk Mar 2019 #51

They didn't fraud anyone, their parents and other adults did obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #55

Almost none of the kids knew -- the sins of the fathers and mothers isn't a thing obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #52

It's not about punishing the students. It's about not tolerating fraud. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #141

Absolutely Not RobinA Mar 2019 #59

The issue isn't a lack of merit. The issue is fraud. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #120

Correct response Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #65

Exactly rusty fender Mar 2019 #75

They should be stripped naked, tattooed... jberryhill Mar 2019 #64

Sounds like a fine party you have planned. But after the festivities, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #73

How many otherwise-undeserving students are at a university ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #74

The issue isn't whether non-merit considerations were used, but was fraud involved. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #106

If I lied on a job application and was hired based on the lie DBoon Mar 2019 #76

If it is proven that they were unaware, no. If so, yes. Blue_true Mar 2019 #80

Yes, but they should not be made to pay any tuition back. n/t Coventina Mar 2019 #83

LOL Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #86

NO....Not if they weren't party to the deciet..Fraud. If they were...yes. AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #91

Are any of them accomplices? RandySF Mar 2019 #102

They got a benefit they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Demit Mar 2019 #111

But any of them went into college at 18 knowing what happened RandySF Mar 2019 #112

Sure, but that's a matter for a DA, if there's enuf evidence to bring charges. Demit Mar 2019 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #173

District Attorneys decide whom to prosecute, not you and I, so that's an odd question. Demit Mar 2019 #180

Expelling them is the only way to end the cheating. Paladin Mar 2019 #105

The USC students should be forced to transfer to UCLA Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #110

Absolutely, expulsion is a natural consequence for fraud n/t Devil Child Mar 2019 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #128

No, their parents should be! elleng Mar 2019 #127

BIG... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #129

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #151

huh? Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #168

I'd rather make their parents pay the full ride for other displaced students Raven123 Mar 2019 #133

If only it were a just world. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #135

The parents are filthy rich MichMan Mar 2019 #160

Yes. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #140

No, but their grades should be audited. If they wer ein on any sort of scholarship the parents Afromania Mar 2019 #142

If they knew Meowmee Mar 2019 #150

No but, they will carry that scar with them throughout their career liberal N proud Mar 2019 #152

absolutely and any that who have a diploma/degree needs it rescinded ASAP and a beachbum bob Mar 2019 #153

They signed the paperwork didn't they? SHRED Mar 2019 #155

Presumably. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #162

If they didn't know, they're too dumb to be there mainer Mar 2019 #167

Some should. Some shouldn't fescuerescue Mar 2019 #183

I wondering about students who have already graduated fescuerescue Mar 2019 #184

Yes the taxpayers samplegirl Mar 2019 #189