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cthulu2016

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7. The specifics of the lies themselves are well documented
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:07 AM
Aug 2012

We have a dynamic where the Romney campaign is based entirely on lies, and all reporters know that. The list is endless.

The question is, why doesn't that matter? Most people, media included, assume all politicians lie all the time anyway so it is no big deal.

But if it is put forward that Mitt's lies rise to the level of some sort of moral dysfunction, to some core personal unreliability, then the 1,000 well documented lies take on a different character. Rather than individual lies about medicare, or whether he ran Bain, or whether he inherited money from his father, or whether Obama cut the welfare work requirement they are all arguments for the larger proposition of moral dysfunction.

Now, I certainly agree with you that Republicans will say Obama also lies. (And they will say that Clinton lied.)

But so what? "Everybody does it" is already the baseline assumption so that doesn't move the needle any. On that case, the usual aggressive claim that Obama lies becomes a defensive claim. Obama's "lies" are suddenly merely elements of Mitt Romney's defense to the charge of being too unreliable and morally bankrupt to be President.

So it's no win for Romney. First, to say "both sides do it" requires admitting that he does it. Second, can any case be made that Obama's "lies" rise to the level of disqualifying moral dysfunction while Mitt's do not?

Obama is likable. Mitt is not. Mitt will lose any argument that requires that people believe that Obama is a bad man.

And Mitt will lose any test of who lies more. He gets away with this because each lie is an isolated whack-a-mole incident.

But the Obama campaign has the power to tie them all together into an over-arching thesis.

And once that happens, every time a lie has to be fact-checked it is an argument for a thesis.

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Read Matt Taibbi's article in the Rolling Stone it's all right there: the LIES about debt & deficits patrice Aug 2012 #1
Shameless KICK. Amonester Aug 2012 #14
This is really good stuff cthulu woolldog Aug 2012 #2
You mean they don't already study every word we write here? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #11
For that to work the M$M would have to actually use the "L" word.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #3
That's the point... they can be forced to cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #4
The "swing voters" are the ones you have to reach.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #5
Your proposal is a good one. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #6
The specifics of the lies themselves are well documented cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #7
I say tie the lies to COMPETENCY not integrity cause swing voters think lyin is part of politics... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #8
Yes, they do assume both sides do it. That is a cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #10
...hmmm, I see...but that takes a blitz, a well organized 2 week long subject change and the DNC uponit7771 Aug 2012 #15
It may not require a blitz. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #20
Going to give you a ton of credit for coming up with a good solution... nc4bo Aug 2012 #9
Thank you, cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #12
cthulu2017 nc4bo Aug 2012 #13
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2012 #16
How to bumber sticker the response is key also, too much explaining about Medicare for instance uponit7771 Aug 2012 #17
Yes. The particular facts do not matter except insofar as cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #19
Is there enough time to do to him and Lyin' Paul Ryan what republicans did to Al Gore? sadbear Aug 2012 #18
Good grok. reflection Aug 2012 #21
Glad somebody else still uses "grok" cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #27
There are a few people left who use it... yes, Heinlein was a Randian pud indeed reflection Aug 2012 #30
UPDATE—Why this Matters: cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #22
Trying to turn his biggest weakness into a strength. sadbear Aug 2012 #23
Visa-versa cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #24
I think social media is the way to get this message out gollygee Aug 2012 #25
K&R nt avebury Aug 2012 #26
Kick! nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #28
k&r... spanone Aug 2012 #29
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