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StarfishSaver

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Thu Sep 26, 2019, 08:41 AM Sep 2019

Jennifer Rubin: "Pelosi was right to wait" [View all]

I’m not impressed with far-left Democrats claiming they were leaders on impeachment by seeking President Trump’s ouster two years ago. It would have been foolhardy until now to progress to impeachment.

A fact pattern as complicated as the Trump campaign’s solicitation of Russian help and Trump’s attempt to cover it up was destined to lose the public’s attention. It took special counsel Robert S. Mueller III 22 months and 448 pages to explain it. Moreover, in that set of circumstances the Trump-appointed attorney general could get his hands on it first, massage the facts and then instruct executive branch witnesses not to cooperate. Congress did not have the right facts nor the right powers to dislodge the truth in a compelling fashion. The public remained staunchly opposed to impeachment for Russia-related issues.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) can read the polls and knows her members. Moreover, she knows a thing or two about public sentiment and how to sway it. Holding off on impeachment until the Ukraine scandal popped up gave her several advantages.
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A skilled leader doesn’t go plunging into the abyss of impeachment without her party, the public and a concise narrative all lined up. She learns from past errors (e.g., don’t rush to court to compel testimony, a process that takes months, and don’t let members conduct factual inquiries at hearings) and adjusts her strategy accordingly. One can see just how skillful Pelosi has been by the lack of a coherent response from Republicans. By picking the right fight at the right time — and withstanding outside pressure to act precipitously — Pelosi has positioned her members to make the best possible case against Trump while defending their majority. In retrospect, it certainly is fortunate her members didn’t push her out of the way in favor of a novice leader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/25/pelosi-was-right-wait/


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I know Jennifer Rubin is a conservative at heart, but IMO, she's been one of the best hlthe2b Sep 2019 #1
Yes. Her, Anna Navarro, Rick Wilson have been throwing head shots at Trump from Day 1. Blue_true Sep 2019 #67
K&R BootinUp Sep 2019 #2
I also like her bdamomma Sep 2019 #3
Pelosi Knows What She's Doing Indykatie Sep 2019 #4
I agree she's handled this terrifically. Pressure from the left was also helpful. femmedem Sep 2019 #5
+1 StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #8
Our pleasure, happy to serve a great cause. saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #76
I disagree on the value of the far left in this instance. They, plain and simple, were a Blue_true Sep 2019 #70
:) A perversely misogynistic distraction. While Fox claims Hortensis Sep 2019 #96
And they totally ignored the fact that the seven were part of the rollout Pelosi StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #105
Right. And they did splendidly by playing a very Hortensis Sep 2019 #114
Yes. They did StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #116
It is deeply disappointing to me on how mysogony exists on the left. Blue_true Sep 2019 #137
This affair shows why the loose cannons in our democratic left should not be celebrated. Blue_true Sep 2019 #68
Pelosi was playing 3 dimensional chess Dem4Life1102 Sep 2019 #6
And how many people here mocked that concept? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #7
Not nearly enough melman Sep 2019 #20
... betsuni Sep 2019 #54
Good one ! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #101
Not really! Cha Sep 2019 #141
Many, too many. We now know that Pelosi is a shrewd politician, we're lucky she's on our side. George II Sep 2019 #39
The DU members that pounded Speaker Pelosi as weak on impeachment have gone to cover. Blue_true Sep 2019 #72
Now some of them are claiming she was just lucky StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #73
Yeah. Skilled tactical execution always looks like luck to the uninformed. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #75
Yep. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #79
I've exceed my max time saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #80
i did. but reaction to a lucky bounce is important too. she did the right thing. That's admirable Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #88
Very abrasive! They should at the very least fess up and admit they were wrong Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #77
Especially the ones who insisted that Nancy Pelosi actively opposed impeachment dansolo Sep 2019 #165
Welcome to DU wryter2000 Sep 2019 #28
Thanks Dem4Life1102 Sep 2019 #69
So many on this board mocked that idea mcar Sep 2019 #51
welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2019 #61
Thanks Dem4Life1102 Sep 2019 #71
sure have fun while you are here gopiscrap Sep 2019 #124
K&R DesertRat Sep 2019 #9
Since his crimes have mounted in severity over the past 2 years, ecstatic Sep 2019 #10
Oh yeah. When she is done with politics, the books that she write should be required reading. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #74
Yes! What it all boils down to was waiting for trump Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #110
"Holding off on impeachment until the Ukraine scandal popped up..." Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #11
Thank you. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #36
It can seem that way but, Wash. state Desk Jet Sep 2019 #128
Interjecting fact...80% of Dems were for Impeachment in December 2018 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #112
This way was the only way for a chance of convicting the grifter in the Senate. yellowcanine Sep 2019 #12
I think Romney/Kasich will be the GOP ticket 2020 at140 Sep 2019 #55
If Trump is out it will be a bloodbath. Pence will fight for the yellowcanine Sep 2019 #65
If Trump drowns, Pence goes down with him at140 Sep 2019 #135
I have a couple problems. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #13
? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #15
From the article. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #16
I think you've missed the entire point StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #17
I agree with almost everything you say, athena Sep 2019 #18
That 'impatience' is costly. Rw'ers use it a lot - because it helps a lot. trump is not winning empedocles Sep 2019 #58
I don't think it's "unfair" at all. Not the Cha Sep 2019 #62
Disagree... if she continues to behave this way she will never climb in the ranks of leadership Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #84
This StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #98
Yes, if she wants to come to the table, then she's got to prove herself as more than just Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #117
Brilliant advice for AOC, kasper! Cha Sep 2019 #119
Thx Cha! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #127
But what if there is a bigger, juicier, worse scandal coming in a week or two? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #19
I doubt too many Members who didn't support impeachment before got on board because AOC yelled StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #23
The antipathy toward pelosi in this exchange is amazing BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #47
You underestimate Speaker Pelosi and overestimate AOC Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #85
Yeah, she "got lucky" - no skill involved at all. ehrnst Sep 2019 #145
Thank you for your voice of sanity! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #82
A sure sign is that she's been virtually invisible since Pelosi's annoincement StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #150
Has AOC Opened An Office Yet For Her Constituents Me. Sep 2019 #95
Yesterday, of all the people key to the House whistleblower hearing, an odd one stood out on fox. empedocles Sep 2019 #162
Granted, the article says waiting for the Ukraine scandal to pop up. wryter2000 Sep 2019 #31
At this point, I also don't think he'll be convicted in the Senate BUT StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #37
Agreed wryter2000 Sep 2019 #49
No. I am not convinced (or even very hopeful) that the Senate will convict stopdiggin Sep 2019 #33
1. She knew he would eventually hang himself because corruption is his way of life. She was waiting emmaverybo Sep 2019 #132
I appreciate that AOC et al kept the concept of impeachment in the public eye... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #14
But Ms Pelosi knows her shit peggysue2 Sep 2019 #22
I'd be more wiling to give AOC, et all more credit if their agitating had been directed at educating StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #24
Agreed! peggysue2 Sep 2019 #25
I wasn't aware AOC had said that wryter2000 Sep 2019 #34
Here's her tweet: George II Sep 2019 #121
Yes.. she owes Nancy and the Dems Cha Sep 2019 #63
i certainly wouldn't go that far. we're all on the same team. Should the speaker apologize to AOC Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #78
That's your opinion. Nancy Pelosi owes her nothing Cha Sep 2019 #81
and that's your opinion. yours isn't any more important than mine. and vice versa Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #83
Nancy Pelosi has always had Cha Sep 2019 #86
That's fantasy. a few good breaks and pelosi reacted with authority. I'm proud of her. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #91
All you have is an insult. Cha Sep 2019 #92
That's all you have too.. I've got an opinion so do you. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #94
Did I say yours was "fantasy"? No.. you're insulting. Cha Sep 2019 #97
you insulted AOC... I'm calling you on that. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #99
Her tweet was insulting to Nancy Pelosi. Cha Sep 2019 #102
and Nancy had insulted her many times. so what? its perspective. I'm for both women. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #111
It was not only an insult to Nancy Cha Sep 2019 #113
No one is insulting anyone. Are you saying AOC is above criticism? PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #130
i suppose i am to some degree. I'm incensed. I'm angry. I'm 33 years old and somebody has fucked Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #136
The US congress is not run by anger PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #138
you. Cannot. be . Serious. check our history friend. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #140
I am absolutely serious. PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #149
LBJ Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #168
A Break? That's what amateurs would call it. The Politically savvy know it was a lot more Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #100
Ikr! Nancy knows what she's doing. Cha Sep 2019 #104
That's what the disengaged would call savvy. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #109
That is what wisdom calls immature. n/t PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #131
You insult madam speaker and then say you are proud of her??? Which is it? Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #103
I'm proud of her. I'm responding to the fucking reply. we don't need to do this Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #106
Actually, she knew what she was doing, and held her course when others were ehrnst Sep 2019 #147
Welcome to DU. ehrnst Sep 2019 #146
Was this comment, directed to HER caucus, really necessary? George II Sep 2019 #123
I'm only a few years older than AOC. we're upset about our future. maybe she shouldn't Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #139
It certainly got lots of attention, didn't it? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #148
Yes an apology from AOC, and all those here on DU that were just as hateful Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #89
Exactly, kasper.. but I very much doubt Cha Sep 2019 #93
Mahalo to you 2 Cha!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #118
It'll never happen. George II Sep 2019 #125
Apologizing indicates that someone believes that they have something to learn ehrnst Sep 2019 #157
Also.. Apologizing when you're wrong is a sign of Cha Sep 2019 #161
+1000 RelativelyJones Sep 2019 #26
This!! Yelling, screaming and name calling never accomplish anything Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #87
Here's where she said it: George II Sep 2019 #122
Impressive, beautifully stated reply which articulates the very reservations I have which make it emmaverybo Sep 2019 #134
Dozens of representatives, CNN, MSNBC, et. al. have kept the concept of impeachment.... George II Sep 2019 #40
They also helped to quietly influence their colleagues StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #42
Yes indeed, and none of them called the failure to impeach a bigger scandal than what trump did. George II Sep 2019 #43
Jennifer Rubin melman Sep 2019 #21
Anonymous anti Pelosi posters... revmclaren Sep 2019 #27
Sad, isn't it? George II Sep 2019 #44
Yes it is. revmclaren Sep 2019 #45
I'd take Jennifer Rubin over some of them any day. They obviously have never seen her.... George II Sep 2019 #46
The automatic kill the messenger no matter who or what. betsuni Sep 2019 #59
Indeed!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #90
Rubin is correct. nt mcar Sep 2019 #29
Happy to eat crow regarding Nancy budkin Sep 2019 #30
Bravo, thanks!!! George II Sep 2019 #41
Kudos to you!! DU and the dem party would be a better place if everyone was willing to admit Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #107
"House Democrats Issue Condemnation Of Ukraine For Making It Harder To Avoid Impeaching Trump" Orrex Sep 2019 #32
My interpretation isn't "post hoc." I've been telling y'all for months not to underestimate NDP StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #35
Yeah, but since she certainly wasn't waiting for this Ukraine bombshell... Orrex Sep 2019 #38
I think it was a calculated risk DFW Sep 2019 #48
That's what I wonder about all of the Republican never-Trumpers wryter2000 Sep 2019 #50
That is the trouble. They think the world was as it should be under Cheney. DFW Sep 2019 #53
+1 leftstreet Sep 2019 #57
"it certainly is fortunate her members didn't push her out of the way in favor of a novice leader." DFW Sep 2019 #52
LOL She lost me at "far left Democrats" leftstreet Sep 2019 #56
while i agree with Rubin's take many other democrats have said the same. as soon as Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #60
K&R betsuni Sep 2019 #64
Speaker Pelosi is very smart and is doing an amazing job Gothmog Sep 2019 #66
Yes she has. History will be very kind to madam speaker!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #115
I took a lot of flak from DU for suggesting we needed to trust pelosi. Joe941 Sep 2019 #108
Right there with ya!! Kudos to you for standing up for her when most were not!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #120
Rubin is spot on. Any sooner would be seen as jumping the gun, sore-loser-ism, etc. flibbitygiblets Sep 2019 #126
I don't care about her politics, as long as she doesn't support government corruption. She's emmaverybo Sep 2019 #129
Better late than never. egduj Sep 2019 #133
Better Right On Time than too damn Cha Sep 2019 #142
She knew exactly what she was doing, and she turned out to be right. ehrnst Sep 2019 #151
Either way. But sha has joined the game egduj Sep 2019 #152
No, it's not "either way" and you've actually been trashing Pelosi, not praising her. ehrnst Sep 2019 #153
It's late September baseball, and we're making a drive to the post season. egduj Sep 2019 #154
"Sure, if she was with us in April, things might not be so dicey right now," ehrnst Sep 2019 #155
I'll gladly admit, it is much better to share her opinion than be against it. egduj Sep 2019 #163
So you're not going to answer my question about who she was "with" in April if she wasn't ehrnst Sep 2019 #164
No answer? ehrnst Sep 2019 #167
Glad you and others who didn't get it finally came around about her skills in handling this. ehrnst Sep 2019 #159
She rope-a-doped him, made him think she wouldn't do it after Mueller. There he stuck his hand in NCLefty Sep 2019 #143
I find the American Prospect article more befitting miyazaki Sep 2019 #144
I don't believe she wanted to go down this road but her hand was forced by Trumps own actions TNLib Sep 2019 #156
I think she always intended to go down this road StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #158
Actually, she was the one who forced his hand. I guess you didn't hear about that... ehrnst Sep 2019 #160
Pelosi simply waited for the support to build up in the Democratic caucus. GreenEyedLefty Sep 2019 #166
Agree with the article Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #169
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