Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 04:24 AM Sep 2012

I cannot believe the Fed gave Citigroup 2.5 Trillion Dollars! [View all]

Last edited Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:33 AM - Edit history (11)

Seriously, I cannot believe it because it IS NOT TRUE. But the claim is widespread on the internet, sourced to the GAO FED audit report.

Audit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts
http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts

The numbers that are being touted all over the internet are from Table 8 of the GAO report. Table 8 shows, for instance, that the Fed assisted Citigroup to the tune of 2.5 trillion dollars, and that the bulk of that total, over $2 trillion, was from the Fed Primary Dealer Credit Facility. (PDCF) And the explanation of table 8 is right there in the report adjacent to table 8 so it is hard to give anyone the benefit of the doubt for "missing" it. It explains what that number means:

Table 8 aggregates total dollar transaction amounts by adding the total dollar amount of all loans but does not adjust these amounts to reflect differences across programs in the term over which loans were outstanding. For example, an overnight PDCF loan of $10 billion that was renewed daily at the same level for 30 business days would result in an aggregate amount borrowed of $300 billion although the institution, in effect, borrowed only $10 billion over 30 days.

Table 8 and notes Page 130-131

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-Investigation#outer_page_130


In its efforts to stabilize the banking industry the FED made a lot of loans to banks to beef up their capitalization. The simplest way for the FED to loan to a bank is through PDCF, which is usually an overnight loan program. For that reason PDCF is accounted daily. Every day is counted as a "new" loan.

So if the FED wanted to capitalize CITI with a loan of $50 billion for eight months and used the PDCF overnight loan program, renewing the overnight loan daily, the figure in table 8 would be well over $2 trillion, even if it was just a loan of $50 billion that was paid back at the end of eight months.

There is nothing wrong with the supposed $2 trillion in PDCF loans. Unlike TARP, a PDCF loan is not an assumption of bad debts on the Fed books. It is a short term loan.

How that gets to be a give-away of more than $2 trillion... by that standard a slot junkie has won millions of dollars playing slot machines. He has also lost millions, of course. And I have quite a bit of money in the bank. My bank balance on Monday, plus my bank balance on Tuesday, plus my bank balance on Wednesday...

I am going to tread lightly in this comment because I like and admire Bernie Sanders, but his claim that "the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance" to banks is intended to convey something to the listener that is clearly not true. So that is disappointing, and I will leave it at that.

As for the broader "Fed is the devil" movement on the internet, there is a reason that is primarily a Ron Paul deal. It is one thing to say that Ron Paul has some good ideas (legalizing drugs, non-interventionism) but it is something different to say that Ron Paul has some good ideas about economics. Ron Paul is an economic crackpot. A pure flat-earther on all matters monetary.

I despise Citigroup.

The banks are animals. They are malignant. Their perfidy knows no bounds. If the FED was in a position to give them a gift of $16 trillion they would take it and laugh. No doubt.

And there is no doubt that the Fed, congress, the President and Tim Geithner all gave stabilizing banks and wall street priority that was not given to the ordinary person. There is no doubt that the financial sector benefited unduly. Though most of this stuff was repaid long-ago an interest free loan is still a nice thing to have and nobody offered me one. I owe money to Citicorp at more than 20% interest so it doesn't make me happy for them to be receiving any 0% loan. But that loan is not "my money." It is not from "my taxes." (The FED does not have access to federal revenues.)

If someone wants to promote the (very valid) idea that banks are favored unduly it does not help to say banks were given $16 trillion because first, it is a deception. and worse, it is also sort of thing that many informed listeners will recognize as implausible at first blush. If banks were given $16 trillion you wouldn't need an audit to discover it—the Gross Domestic Product of the United States of America is only about $15 trillion.

Adding insult to injury, I found one instance of this same less-than-honest article over the fake claim that the article is written by Paul Krugman, with his picture and everything! Needless to say, Krugman's only response to these claims would be a face-palm.

http://parkercountyblog.com/2011/08/15/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts/
38 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
They are not intentionally lying-- TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #1
Something tells me this OP will not get 120 recs cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #2
You could say that about any field.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #6
If only it were just the economy. raouldukelives Sep 2012 #18
True dat, and while I might repeat it in, say, an anti-vaxer thread... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #20
You raise excellent point. We cannot simply defer oversight to elites, however cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #25
In my mind the problem is that practically everyone is intentionally deceptive at some point.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #26
There are three 'free' economics blogs and newsletters worth reading, imo, but I do not have an coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #19
I like hyperbole, but the point is taken that not everything free is worthless... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #22
ZeroHead and Naked Cap are quacks all the way. banned from Kos Sep 2012 #28
DeLong is a neo-liberal moron. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #30
As is the poster espsousing DeLong. (Hint: there's probably a coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #36
Well what do you expect of a populace that probably has no clue what the Fed does? dkf Sep 2012 #3
You supported the Bush tax cuts RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #10
How ridiculous. I think we need to get rid of all of them. dkf Sep 2012 #11
Nice deflection attempt; didn't work. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #12
My position that all the Bush cuts need to go is laughable? dkf Sep 2012 #13
Orzag? Please. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #14
Yeah, well, being outraged about the GAO report doesn't require actually READING it, silly-pants! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #4
I was going to recommend this until I read the patronizing comments. Prometheus Bound Sep 2012 #5
Your point is well taken. cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #23
IIRC, the public was "out" by about $60 billion at the end of the TARP program Kolesar Sep 2012 #7
However, if You Read Barofsky's Book BAILOUT Iggy Sep 2012 #8
You post nothing of importance here. Sure, AmEx got more TARP loans than private banned from Kos Sep 2012 #17
Of Course....! Iggy Sep 2012 #38
K&R and Bookmarked SunsetDreams Sep 2012 #9
The blog falsely attributed that crap to Paul Krugman? banned from Kos Sep 2012 #15
"a" blog, not the blog cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #24
Naw man. It was like, the SAME $1....16 trillion times!!!! (that makes it "free money!) nt Romulox Sep 2012 #16
Sad, bitter laugh. And a K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #21
k&r tammywammy Sep 2012 #27
thanks for the truth. AKA - "Bernie's Excellent Adventure" banned from Kos Sep 2012 #29
$29,000,000,000,000: A Detailed Look at the Fed’s Bailout of the Financial System girl gone mad Sep 2012 #31
$29 trillion? Holy shit! That is more than $16 trillion! banned from Kos Sep 2012 #32
Are we at the point yet abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #34
Big mistake to allow so much consolidation. moondust Sep 2012 #33
Angry Bear and The Big Picture are the best blogs taught_me_patience Sep 2012 #35
Angry Bear recommends Zerohedge and Zerohedge recommends Angry Bear Prometheus Bound Sep 2012 #37
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I cannot believe the Fed ...