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mcar

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Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:51 PM Oct 2019

Pierce: No, I Do Not 'Respect the Office of the Presidency' [View all]

No, I Do Not 'Respect the Office of the Presidency'
Of course a renegade president* should be heckled at a baseball game. It's the least we can do.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
OCT 28, 2019

I never have seen a politician yet who wasn't booed if he or she showed up at the ballpark. But, I have to admit, the reception given to El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago at the World Series on Monday night in Washington, D.C., was a remarkable exercise of the First Amendment right to deliver the ol' bazoo. And the "Lock him up!" chant was a sauce for the goose moment to end all sauce for the goose moments. Nobody who sat through the orgy of unbridled hate in Cleveland in 2016 could see it as anything but a comeuppance richly deserved.

But the Civility Police never sleep. By Monday morning, a panel convened on Morning Joe was deploring the whole scene, and Democratic Senator Chris Coons of Delaware had found something to meep about on CNN....

But Coons's argument is one I've heard all too often in my lifetime, very often as a dodge for inexcusable conduct and outright crimes. "Respect for the office" is a self-governing citizen's sin of idolatry. In that context, the Presidency is a graven image. Why should I respect the office of the president when the occupant so clearly doesn't? Why should I respect the office of the president when it serves as a clubhouse for cheap crooks and mountebanks? Guns don't kill people, we hear after every mass shooting, only people kill people. So, The Presidency doesn't commit crimes, only presidents do?

In my lifetime alone, from The Office of the Presidency, I have seen mass murder from the skies, torture, the overthrow of governments, burglaries and the cover-up of same, the selling of missiles to a terrorist state and the cover-up of same, the arming of distant murderers, and that was all before this president* even got there—and even he, with his exceedingly dim wits, saw the potential for high crimes that long had become inherent in the office.

So, no, I don't Respect The Office any more (or less) than I respect the Congress or the federal judiciary or the Department of Agriculture, for all that. Right now, all over the world, from Lebanon to Chile, hundreds of thousands of people are in the streets demanding a voice in their governments. Capital cities are being shut down. And we're all supposed to be alarmed that a renegade president* got heckled at a baseball game? For a country founded through acts of unruly dissent, that's as mild as milk.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29610218/trump-heckled-world-series-respect-office-presidency/

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"Why should I respect the office of the president when the occupant so clearly doesn't?" 3catwoman3 Oct 2019 #1
Exactly! mcar Oct 2019 #2
that is the truth. bdamomma Oct 2019 #23
Respect for the office is shown by booing RVN VET71 Oct 2019 #43
Hear, hear!! Hekate Oct 2019 #3
Disrespect is earned Jarqui Oct 2019 #4
Bravo Charlie malaise Oct 2019 #5
Respect is a two way street. Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #6
exactly. bdamomma Oct 2019 #24
How can I respect the office now, anyway? calimary Oct 2019 #7
"We're all under occupation right now." Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #29
trumpty dumpty thinks that the mere holding of the office of the presidency garners him respect - iluvtennis Oct 2019 #8
Not only him mcar Oct 2019 #12
+++ agree. It's the same old shit of trying to "normalize" trump. haven't they learned anything iluvtennis Oct 2019 #16
(Rhetorical question): MurrayDelph Oct 2019 #9
Good question mcar Oct 2019 #13
Correct, and they seem to forget they did not respect Obama when he was President Perseus Oct 2019 #31
Seems to me Pierce's main point is not just trump, pangaia Oct 2019 #10
I think he means that respect is to the person, not to an office Perseus Oct 2019 #36
Caesar gets booed at the stadium and some apologetic senators... pbmus Oct 2019 #11
they don't like bdamomma Oct 2019 #25
This is the Crap that Pisses Me Off!!! blakstoneranger Oct 2019 #14
Drumpputin is not my Prez. kairos12 Oct 2019 #15
I got so mad at Abbey on The View today marlakay Oct 2019 #17
he is always bdamomma Oct 2019 #26
What is the point of the freedom of speech and freedom of assembly if not to protest? Politicub Oct 2019 #18
Yes! mcar Oct 2019 #32
I respect the office, just not the current occupant... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #19
K&R, Most humans don't like racist child abusers !!! uponit7771 Oct 2019 #20
"respect the office" is a cheap dodge NastyRiffraff Oct 2019 #21
The chants were directed at the person, not the office. TNNurse Oct 2019 #22
That is a very good point mcar Oct 2019 #33
Eggsactly! MFGsunny Oct 2019 #37
Ted Bundy was a suicide hotline worker at one time. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #27
Where was the "respect the office" outrage when he started the birther BS ? Katinfl Oct 2019 #28
Any office is only worthy of as much respect as the person occuppying it (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Oct 2019 #30
When has IQ45 ever done anything deserving of respect? sinkingfeeling Oct 2019 #34
Never mcar Oct 2019 #35
He's lucky we're not like the Chileans. rickyhall Oct 2019 #38
"The Presidency doesn't commit crimes, only presidents do" in response to gun-humper sophistry MadLinguist Oct 2019 #39
Respect must be earned Teach-only-love Oct 2019 #40
Bravo, Mr. Pierce. BHDem53 Oct 2019 #41
Donald Trump disrespects his office 24/7 and actively betrays his country every which way he can. dalton99a Oct 2019 #42
When Ike made HST cool his heels in the WH on Ike's inauguration day RVN VET71 Oct 2019 #44
Respecting the office is fine, by me. Aussie105 Oct 2019 #45
Baseball and the First Amendment oldtime dfl_er Oct 2019 #46
... mcar Oct 2019 #47
Well stated, as usual. nt Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #48
Charlie Pierce +100 EndGOPPropaganda Oct 2019 #53
Didn't the man who lives in our White House call it Corgigal Oct 2019 #49
K&R UTUSN Oct 2019 #50
I swore no oath to honor the office of the presidency nor the president Orrex Oct 2019 #51
Great commentary k&r n/t lordsummerisle Oct 2019 #52
Thank you Mr. Pierce tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #54
K&R ck4829 Oct 2019 #55
In a different country, Aussie105 Oct 2019 #56
He was in a secure box mcar Oct 2019 #57
I respect the Office of the Presidency, it's the asshole in that office I have zero respect for. Fla Dem Oct 2019 #58
i no longer call him the pRez. i call him that THING currently in the white house . AllaN01Bear Oct 2019 #59
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