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MineralMan

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87. Polls can't establish facts. Polls are just people's guesses. Nobody here knows.

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:27 PM

Nov 2019

Not a single one of us here on DU has any evidence at all of anything. All we have is reporting.

Bottom line: The official autopsy and coroner's report says suicide. That's what it will be from now on. There is no way to go back and start over again.

Polls like this one are a waste of time. Totally. There is one authority on the cause of death, and that authority has made its judgment. We should move on to other things that are still pending, not keep replaying things that have been decided already.

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Was Jeffrey Epstein murdered? [View all] Cary Nov 2019 OP

If they can lie us into a war, and institute torture, and give us Orange Hitler, Cary Nov 2019 #1

So, you are going with "she's a liar"? jberryhill Nov 2019 #36

It was whomever decided that 2naSalit Nov 2019 #2

Maybe essme Nov 2019 #3

The problem with most conspiracy theories is you need another conspiracy theory to explain them brooklynite Nov 2019 #4

Another problem is that conspiracy theories can never be disproven, because any evidence StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #6

I like to think of myself as disinclined towards conspiracy theories Cary Nov 2019 #10

I'm also very skeptical of conspiracy theories, but that doesn't mean that they don't ever exist StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #12

Exactly...As HRC Proved Me. Nov 2019 #76

"I am slightly persuaded by Epstein's lawyers' medical examiner" jberryhill Nov 2019 #39

Could you elaborate on what makes him more believable? Cary Nov 2019 #42

But you give more credence to the guy hired by Epstein's lawyers jberryhill Nov 2019 #45

And you're free to believe The New York Post Cary Nov 2019 #47

Ha, ha, ha, ha... jberryhill Nov 2019 #48

This. cwydro Nov 2019 #13

Show me one interview where he said he attempted murder in July Polybius Nov 2019 #21

"His lawyer said no from the start" jberryhill Nov 2019 #37

I don't know StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #5

Of course you don't know Cary Nov 2019 #8

What an odd comment StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #9

Oddly enough I was answering YOUR POST! Cary Nov 2019 #11

I know. That's why I responded. It was an odd comment to address only to one who says I don't know StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #14

I was affirming you Cary Nov 2019 #15

I don't know either. Corgigal Nov 2019 #73

There are a lot of strange things involved here StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #74

He was Frankie Five Angeled exboyfil Nov 2019 #7

Really? 70%? nt USALiberal Nov 2019 #16

Herd mentality jberryhill Nov 2019 #29

Scary really! Nt USALiberal Nov 2019 #60

Right out of Trump TV... jberryhill Nov 2019 #62

He was exfiltrated and is living on an island with Tupac Recursion Nov 2019 #17

I'm gonna go with "Probably but they're hiding it well"... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #18

I don't think so. It was over for him. The prosecution was going to continue to add more charges Buckeyeblue Nov 2019 #19

He did have customers on both sides Polybius Nov 2019 #20

You do realize the optics of this right? Arthur_Frain Nov 2019 #22

The most high profile prisoner in the federal system exboyfil Nov 2019 #52

You know this issue is being amplified a lot by the trolls on social media, right? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2019 #23

I saw it discussed on MSNBC and the NYT Cary Nov 2019 #24

Yes but the JeffreyEpsteinDidntKillHimself tag has quickly become memeified Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2019 #25

++I wish more would see this for what it is - Look over here/ talk about this instead now lunasun Nov 2019 #51

Precisely - and on DU jberryhill Nov 2019 #28

Bill Barr is going to have a lot duforsure Nov 2019 #26

epstein is alive rampartc Nov 2019 #27

Alive, Well & Living With Ken Lay Me. Nov 2019 #77

Yup. I'm sure Barr had him murdered to prevent him OliverQ Nov 2019 #30

Why did Barr have him arrested in the first place? jberryhill Nov 2019 #33

Who said Barr had him arrested? OliverQ Nov 2019 #38

On a DoJ indictment jberryhill Nov 2019 #40

Searches, seizures, etc leftstreet Nov 2019 #85

Lol no Loki Liesmith Nov 2019 #31

You think that's fair? Cary Nov 2019 #32

Do you think going after Barbara Sampson is fair? jberryhill Nov 2019 #35

You think Orange Hitler will murder Barbara Sampson? Cary Nov 2019 #43

Total non-sequitur jberryhill Nov 2019 #46

When I find people who appear to take themselves too seriously I tend to mock them Cary Nov 2019 #49

I dislike RW propaganda jberryhill Nov 2019 #50

I dislike rude, condescending, and obnoxious behavior Cary Nov 2019 #55

Well, there's always Fox News jberryhill Nov 2019 #58

I didn't say I found him persuasive. Cary Nov 2019 #63

Who wrote these words jberryhill Nov 2019 #65

If you're going to tell me what my words meant then you will discuss them alone Cary Nov 2019 #67

You should have been around when the 9/11 forum was in full swing jberryhill Nov 2019 #34

I dont know but lean towards the theory Epstein was given the tools/time/space to kill himself Arazi Nov 2019 #41

Suspicious indeed. Cary Nov 2019 #44

Frankie Five Angels exboyfil Nov 2019 #53

Barr visited the jail the week before Epstein was found dead... brush Nov 2019 #54

Who had the means, motive and opportunity to murder him and make it look like a suicide? MrScorpio Nov 2019 #56

None of us know. Cary Nov 2019 #57

Fox News Has The Answer.... jberryhill Nov 2019 #59

The one armed man did it! Nt USALiberal Nov 2019 #61

No ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #64

Truth by majority consensus, eh? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #66

Who said anything about "Truth by majority consensus?" Cary Nov 2019 #68

Or maybe just simple and idle speculation. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #69

Or maybe this wasn't posted in a vacuum. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #71

This is DU Cary Nov 2019 #72

I'm about 60/40 on him being murdered Bradical79 Nov 2019 #70

There were a whole lot of Bettie Nov 2019 #75

Why can't the victims identify them? jberryhill Nov 2019 #82

"Teenage Escorts" Bettie Nov 2019 #83

Epstein was a wealthy powerful man who denied everything jberryhill Nov 2019 #86

76% od DUers say yes Polybius Nov 2019 #78

None of that means a damned thing. MineralMan Nov 2019 #88

Probably no one Polybius Nov 2019 #89

Do you see anyone like that here? I don't. MineralMan Nov 2019 #90

I see the usual anti-conspiracy theorist liberal mindset is active. MarcA Nov 2019 #79

Yea, I left my tin hat at home today sorry. redstatebluegirl Nov 2019 #80

We will never know. gldstwmn Nov 2019 #81

I am a long time "conspiracy theorist" and I don't put much stock in Doctor Baden. Midnight Writer Nov 2019 #84

Polls can't establish facts. Polls are just people's guesses. Nobody here knows. MineralMan Nov 2019 #87

If that is the standard why discuss anything? Cary Nov 2019 #92

Because when "authority" speaks you're suppose to sit down and shut up, MarcA Nov 2019 #93

I'm sorry you feel that way Cary Nov 2019 #94

Sorry. Didn't think I needed too include the word snark in my comments. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #95

Cameras were off, indicating the likelihood of foul play. ooky Nov 2019 #91