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58. Statistics say, man has never been as well as we are right now.

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:00 PM

Nov 2019

Apparently, save one statistic in the US, suicide- which is at rates not seen since WW II. I couldn't find anything about the suicide rate previous to that, so I don't have anything to compare, historically.

What 'many measures' do you have that refute the general well-being of humanity?

https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality

https://ourworldindata.org/homicides

https://ourworldindata.org/hunger-and-undernourishment

https://ourworldindata.org/homelessness

https://ourworldindata.org/literacy

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2014/09/what-behind-declines-teen-pregnancy-rates

https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

Not going to bed hungry, not having a bed to sleep in, not dying by war, not dying by preventable childhood disease- those tend to be a bit more important than 'happiness'.

First world problems, eh? Fewer people have to wonder about all those things.

Derp.

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So, one measure, suicide? That's it? More children are going to bed satiated.. X_Digger Nov 2019 #39

My perspective is based on fact, not slurs Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #47

Statistics say, man has never been as well as we are right now. X_Digger Nov 2019 #58

Statistics and people say Anmericans are struggling regardless of your personal shots Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #88

Yes, they're struggling, but they're not going to bed hungry, etc. X_Digger Nov 2019 #89

Every one of your replies has a personal attack in it Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #90

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My goodness, those are some rose colored glasses you have there Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #55

Are there counter stats that say that deaths from war are increasing over time? hunger? X_Digger Nov 2019 #60

No, I am saying that you are cherry picking Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #62

What general measure that has life-affecting ability did I miss? X_Digger Nov 2019 #63

Hunger is growing, homelessness is growing, infant mortality is growing, illiteracy is growing... Doremus Nov 2019 #67

Hunger had a slight uptick, not even as bad as 2000, much less 1993. X_Digger Nov 2019 #68

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