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fishwax

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41. no -- my post was affirming as factual what you were speculating as counterfactual
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:49 PM
Aug 2020

Though I certainly could have been more clear about it.

Your post said:

Both Cruz and Kamala Harris meet that test so the rest of his argument is entirely superfluous unless he wants to argue that Harris is not a citizen at all.


My post said: his argument is, in fact, that Harris may not be a citizen at all.

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This is significant because it makes his argument rather more sinister than simple hypocrisy or self contradiction. It serves instead, to provide the nutjobs fodder for the same the sort of endless racist investigations into her parents that the birther conspiracy did for Obama.

His argument here assumes (as you state, and as he argued more explicitly in the Cruz article) that to be a citizen at birth makes you a natural born citizen.

However, he also claims that to be a citizen at birth by virtue of being born in the United States, one must have a parent who is either a citizen or a permanent resident.

NOTE: He offers no evidence to support this claim--certainly not from case law--and it stands in contradiction to pretty much every expert's reading (and the plain English reading) of the Wong Kim Ark case.

He continues: Since we don't know whether her parents were permanent residents (as opposed to having visitor status or student visas), then we don't know for sure if she was a citizen at birth. (Or, even, if she ever became a citizen).

If one buys his stupid claim, then it gives cause to endlessly investigate and build conspiracy theories around the status of her parents.

We need ambulance chasers, too. The real problem is Newsweek gives them a voice. RainCaster Aug 2020 #1
This!👆 SheltieLover Aug 2020 #3
"Kamala Devi Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California. struggle4progress Aug 2020 #2
Donald Harris was born in Jamaica not Maryland Justice Aug 2020 #6
Dunno. But it doesn't matter. struggle4progress Aug 2020 #11
I agree. But someone is playing with Wiki page Justice Aug 2020 #16
Illinois Department of Economics pager says he's a naturalized US citizen struggle4progress Aug 2020 #20
He became naturalized after Kamela's birth. Justice Aug 2020 #21
Again, doesn't matter struggle4progress Aug 2020 #27
Newsweek's opinion editor Josh Hammer is a far right nutjob - this was entirely on purpose muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #28
Getting ripped to shreds in the comment section. n/t Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #33
Incorrect davekriss Aug 2020 #14
No. Check it again. Was changed to Jamaica Justice Aug 2020 #17
You are correct davekriss Aug 2020 #19
It changed when I typed my response. I edited Justice Aug 2020 #22
After the Ted Cruz, John McCain and Obama non-issues, why do they even try this? brush Aug 2020 #4
not everyone can go to 'top tier' law schools RT Atlanta Aug 2020 #5
Agreed. Not about law school. Eastman failed Justice Aug 2020 #7
I agree, the problem is squarely on the professor himself. Claustrum Aug 2020 #8
Lots of great lawyers from 3rd and 4th tier schools. Justice Aug 2020 #18
That's a lot of my experience as well RT Atlanta Aug 2020 #26
+1. Yale also gave us Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas, Dershowitz, et al dalton99a Aug 2020 #23
Some go to Liberty University law school. That would be 4th rate. madinmaryland Aug 2020 #35
His argument rests on the "jursidiction" claim. Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #9
Interesting detail in that last sentence - thanks! nt crickets Aug 2020 #31
US v. Wong Kim Ark struggle4progress Aug 2020 #10
Thanks for posting that... it puts the lie to Eastman's argument. Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #13
A lot of good lawyers have come out of lower tier law schools. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2020 #12
The ranking of his law school is beside the point. Dershowitz taught at Harvard ... StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #15
Do you know who disagrees with Dr. John Eastman VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #24
"I'm proud to be a hack without principles" struggle4progress Aug 2020 #29
well, that was a slightly different issue, and doesn't really contradict what he's saying here fishwax Aug 2020 #32
Cruz' situation is different but the principle is the same VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #34
he atgues that citizenship from birth applies in Harris 's case as well fishwax Aug 2020 #38
Yeah, you just restated my post you responded to. VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #40
no -- my post was affirming as factual what you were speculating as counterfactual fishwax Aug 2020 #41
Not to mention he ran & lost to her for (Atty Gen?). UTUSN Aug 2020 #25
Eastman is a far-right hack. Archae Aug 2020 #30
As a graduate of a "top 10" law school, I find your post ridiculously elitist. Progressive Law Aug 2020 #36
BTW, John Eastman is a graduate of the elite University of Chicago Law School. Progressive Law Aug 2020 #37
And Shithead seizes on it immediately. Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #39
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