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Celerity

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9. we completely cocked-up the elderly care homes and scattered site housing pandemic control
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:14 PM
Aug 2020

The vast majority of the deaths (some studies and healthcare professionals say as high as 70%, and this is another area of raging internal debate) occurred in those arenas. The reasons are complex, but we have a much less strict regime of eldercare visitation and worker inflow/outflow than the other Nordics do, plus our elderly care workers are simply of an overall lower calibre than Norway, Denmark, and Finland have. We have haemorrhaged so many nurses, doctors, and higher-level heath workers to Denmark and Norway, as they pay (especially Norway) a lot more. We are spending a shedload of extra money on other social issues, ones that the other Nordics do not have to deal with in such large degrees. It is very much a point of massive internal conflict here, and the very subject of immigration is extremely sensitive and volatile here. The other Nordics are far less welcoming, and far more draconian, especially Denmark. None of the Nordics have the right balance IMHO, but Sweden has by far the most potential damaging issues.

The virus also hit those very same immigrant/refugee areas much harder (mainly due to cultural/economic reasons such as far higher 'big family all living together under one roof' rates, etc etc) than in the other Nordics. Again, we have a far higher number (both as a % and in terms of absolute numbers) of refugees and 1st/2nd generation immigrants than the other Nordics do. In the past 20 or so years, we have taken in the US population-adjusted equivalent of over 50 million refugees. Also, our government (as delineated by our instrument of government, ie. our 'constitution') has far less sweeping powers when it comes to the healthcare system and pandemic control than any of the other Nordics do.

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Thank you for the data. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #1
I don't think they got to herd immunity. LisaL Aug 2020 #2
Hmmm.... cilla4progress Aug 2020 #3
Apparently Sweeds went into "voluntary" lockdown, even if their government wasn't asking them to do LisaL Aug 2020 #6
Genetics? moondust Aug 2020 #10
I cannot make that call, as I do not know the viral penetration rate, but here is another article Celerity Aug 2020 #8
I am so happy for the people of Sweden jimfields33 Aug 2020 #4
They do have much higher death rate compared to neighboring countries. LisaL Aug 2020 #5
True. Every country had to decide how to deal with this virus. jimfields33 Aug 2020 #7
we completely cocked-up the elderly care homes and scattered site housing pandemic control Celerity Aug 2020 #9
Laurie Garrett on Nicolle Wallace rn cilla4progress Aug 2020 #11
another myth, that I have addressed multiple times Celerity Aug 2020 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #12
we never had herd immunity as a goal, I've been trying to push back against this disinfo for months Celerity Aug 2020 #14
I was just reading it and... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #15
yw, and I truly hope you did not think I has having a go at you, as I was not Celerity Aug 2020 #16
No, no... I was happy to read your follow-up post... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #17
My biggest wish for the Nordics is... Celerity Aug 2020 #18
That seems like a good idea! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #19
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