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4. Some very "good trouble" inspiring rambling indeed, and there's an important parallel to be drawn...
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 11:11 AM
Oct 2020

with the message articulated four years ago by none other than Secretary Clinton herself.

Unfortunately, many missed it, because it came as part of the "deplorables" message, in the coverage of and reaction to which it got largely lost or obscured. But I encourage everyone to take a moment, if they've forgotten or never knew, and really read through ALL of what our beloved Secretary actually said in that speech...

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? [Laughter/applause]. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric. Now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.


But this next part is where she addresses exactly the people of whom you are speaking...

"But the other basket, the other basket, and I know because I see friends from all over America here. I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas, as well as you know New York and California. But that other basket of people who are people who feel that government has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they are just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."


It is important that we impress upon people the fact that why one votes for an evil man does not lessen their culpability for the evil that ensues, but at the same time, we should be very mindful that that very same "why" does determine whether or not they could become a worthy and sincere ally, given proper outreach. And particularly right now, when the entire Republican Party is self-immolating, it could be a very beneficial thing indeed to more properly assess who should be condemned and who should be rehabilitated.

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GOOD rambling to inspire "GOOD trouble." Thank you, tt. n/t MFGsunny Oct 2020 #1
You're welcome, and best wishes. nt thucythucy Oct 2020 #2
Absolutely. Good point. cwydro Oct 2020 #3
Some very "good trouble" inspiring rambling indeed, and there's an important parallel to be drawn... better Oct 2020 #4
Wow! I was totally unaware of that part of Secretary Clinton's speech. thucythucy Oct 2020 #5
A LOT of people were not aware, and if you ask me, we missed an opportunity there. better Oct 2020 #6
Thanks again. thucythucy Oct 2020 #7
Yes, sadly only one part of that got publicized. cwydro Oct 2020 #10
A ramble worth reading, excellent points TY! arthritisR_US Oct 2020 #8
I used to be much more open to the idea that many (used to think "most") Trump.... LAS14 Oct 2020 #9
For my part, I'm afraid I can't summon warmth of heart for people Aristus Oct 2020 #11
I agree. People do not want to be ashamed. nolabear Oct 2020 #12
Other then race, I see no examples of certain traits. Kaleva Oct 2020 #13
I agree. Trump supporters cover a wide gamut. thucythucy Oct 2020 #14
I agree with you on that. Kaleva Oct 2020 #15
They are very nationalistic. Trump and people like Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley Blue_true Oct 2020 #20
At this point in time I will not attack anyone who is sorry Meowmee Oct 2020 #16
I wonder though, thucythucy Oct 2020 #17
People that voted for him are also very nationalistic, I believe that he took maximum Blue_true Oct 2020 #21
If they listened to the propaganda about hrc etc Meowmee Oct 2020 #22
What I have seen of people that voted for Trump is a somewhat complex picture. Blue_true Oct 2020 #18
Interesting thought. thucythucy Oct 2020 #19
I believe that what democratic politicians and strategists do is talk over those people's heads. Blue_true Oct 2020 #23
The "Trump-types" didn't appear overnight. They've been festering for decades. Progressive Jones Oct 2020 #24
Well, anyone who still supports the rude pumpkin thucythucy Oct 2020 #25
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