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Hortensis

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33. Anti-democracy forces are on the far left also. Do you really not
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 07:57 PM
Dec 2020

know what "revolution" means? Revolution requires smashing the old and all those who fight to protect it, and both socialists and the Republican "organized conspiracy" and autocratic trumpists have to overthrow what we inherited to achieve their new forms of government. Both sides have their "bros" anxious to get to the smashing part. The Republicans/Trump are much closer because they're far more powerful, organized, financed, and, yes, ruthless. But neither are the unicorn fantasies of romantic imagination.

Speaking of "bros," how about noticing the hostile (and potentially violent) populist movements on both LW and RW that have been creating rage against whatever establishment stands in the way? Sure, Sanders' haven't gotten much beyond throwing a couple of chairs and vicious swarming on social media, but then his was never the side that was going to prevail. So a bunch of his bros just moved to the revolution with mobs to join.

Did anyone see attempted election theft in the past two elections because majorities wouldn't buy what the revolutionary leaders were selling?

Speaking of fascism, how about the question of how to KEEP the revolutionary ends when large majorities reject them every time when the choice is free and informed?

Name even ONE socialist regime that wasn't imposed on the people by what becomes authoritarian government using ruthless fascistic means. Guaranteed of course because socialism requires certain losses of freedoms and relative poverty at best (but disruption and decline are usually severe). Without authoritarian repression, what would keep Americans from just changing their minds and voting to return to a capitalism-based system (like what we have and those in Europe that are NOT socialism)?

Everyone worried about subversion and protecting the democracy we inherited really needs to understand the great similarities between the hostile extremist movements active in this nation. There are two, not just one. And our leaders absolutely have a duty to explain to all who are vulnerable to dangerous leaders what they have to lose and why they really want to protect what they have.

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Faux, Not A Waste Of Time ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #1
Biden needs to be seen and heard across the spectrum - JB knows that empedocles Dec 2020 #7
that was my theory also steve2470 Dec 2020 #10
That's Why I Said Yes To Faux ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #11
Avoid them, marginalize them also by never mentioning them. Brainfodder Dec 2020 #2
Do a Trump: Only if they are 'fair.' Everytime they make shit up, they lose some cabinet interview. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #28
OANN? Really? Newsmax is hardly any better. Fox, maybe hlthe2b Dec 2020 #3
I only mentioned OANN and Newsmax because apparently more are watching them steve2470 Dec 2020 #4
Yes. johnp3907 Dec 2020 #5
Fox if it was Chris Wallace or Shep Smith NewJeffCT Dec 2020 #6
Shep Smith quit, good for him! He is on CNBC now, I think steve2470 Dec 2020 #8
I've seen it a few times and he was decent on it. Nt spooky3 Dec 2020 #15
Mayor Pete managed it quite well on Fox. Perhaps he'd be a good candidate? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2020 #9
Agree. He's very good at handling right wing tools. Nt spooky3 Dec 2020 #12
Worse than a waste of time. We don't want to grant legitimacy or gravitas to propaganda outlets unblock Dec 2020 #13
Sitting down in a septic tank with an earnest smile on your face does not alter the stench. nt Atticus Dec 2020 #14
No Proud liberal 80 Dec 2020 #16
There is nothing wrong with appearing on FOX news. Newsmax & OANN would be a waste of time. n/t KWR65 Dec 2020 #17
Yes of course luv2fly Dec 2020 #18
Waste of time to speak to the American people? Gasp! Hortensis Dec 2020 #19
Didn't work out so well for Obama wnylib Dec 2020 #24
That's not the point. It's about duty, not just votes. Hortensis Dec 2020 #27
I was referring to the obstructionism wnylib Dec 2020 #30
Subversive groups have their hands on the guillotine. Hortensis Dec 2020 #31
That's not the point. She had a DUTY. Hortensis Dec 2020 #29
So you believe that it's a duty wnylib Dec 2020 #32
Anti-democracy forces are on the far left also. Do you really not Hortensis Dec 2020 #33
Well put empedocles Dec 2020 #34
Yes, it's a waste of time and worse, WITH THIS EXCEPTION... RobertDevereaux Dec 2020 #20
Fox can be ok if it's with Wallace. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2020 #21
I think Fux is okay. Maybe even necessary. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #22
Isn't appearing at these locations give them a burst of legitimacy? secondwind Dec 2020 #23
yes...send pete instead. samnsara Dec 2020 #25
Avoid like the plague. Joe will be POTUS. Surrogates may go if they have the stomach. nt Hekate Dec 2020 #26
Complete waste with OANN and Newsmax. With Fox News, it might not be a complete waste depending highplainsdem Dec 2020 #35
Maybe Fox because it might be the only way most repubs will ever get a chance to "know" him mtnsnake Dec 2020 #36
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