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In reply to the discussion: I had a discussion with someone today [View all]Kid Berwyn
(15,454 posts)110. Precisely.
The Christmas Eve Confessions of Chuck Todd
That disinformation was going to overtake Republican politics was discoverable years before he says he discovered it.
Jay Rosen
Dec. 26, 2019
Excerpt...
Its not that he was naive. He did not care to listen. I am going to use my own writing to show what I mean, but there are many others who could be quoted in similar fashion. On January 22, 2017, two days after Trump was inaugurated, I wrote about Sean Spicers crowd size spectacular. There are several audiences for it, I said. One of course was the press. For them the message was
We are not bound by what you call facts. We have our own, and we will proceed to put them out regardless of what the evidence says. Its not a problem for us if you stagger from the room in disbelief. Were not trying to win the news cycle, or win you over. Were trying to demonstrate independence from and power over you people. This room is not just for briefings, announcements and Q & A. Its also a theater of resentment in which you play a crucial part. Our constituency hates your guts; this is the place where we commune with them around that fact. See you tomorrow, guys!
Another message went to core supporters:
To the core Trump constituency and an audience primed for this over years of acrid liberal media critique two things were said. Were going to rough these people up. (Because we know how long you have waited for that.) But also, and in return, you have to accept our alternative facts even if your own eyes tell you otherwise. This too is a stark message. The epistemological price for being a solider in Trumps army is high. You have to swallow, repeat and defend things that simply dont check out.
https://pressthink.org/2019/12/the-christmas-eve-confessions-of-chuck-todd/
That disinformation was going to overtake Republican politics was discoverable years before he says he discovered it.
Jay Rosen
Dec. 26, 2019
Excerpt...
Its not that he was naive. He did not care to listen. I am going to use my own writing to show what I mean, but there are many others who could be quoted in similar fashion. On January 22, 2017, two days after Trump was inaugurated, I wrote about Sean Spicers crowd size spectacular. There are several audiences for it, I said. One of course was the press. For them the message was
We are not bound by what you call facts. We have our own, and we will proceed to put them out regardless of what the evidence says. Its not a problem for us if you stagger from the room in disbelief. Were not trying to win the news cycle, or win you over. Were trying to demonstrate independence from and power over you people. This room is not just for briefings, announcements and Q & A. Its also a theater of resentment in which you play a crucial part. Our constituency hates your guts; this is the place where we commune with them around that fact. See you tomorrow, guys!
Another message went to core supporters:
To the core Trump constituency and an audience primed for this over years of acrid liberal media critique two things were said. Were going to rough these people up. (Because we know how long you have waited for that.) But also, and in return, you have to accept our alternative facts even if your own eyes tell you otherwise. This too is a stark message. The epistemological price for being a solider in Trumps army is high. You have to swallow, repeat and defend things that simply dont check out.
https://pressthink.org/2019/12/the-christmas-eve-confessions-of-chuck-todd/
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I bet the guy can't differentiate between what conservativism and liberalism is.
TheBlackAdder
Jan 2021
#1
That's a radical conservative mindset you encountered. They won't change their views, instead
Karadeniz
Jan 2021
#9
The students I saw working the hardest were the Vietnam vets.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
Jan 2021
#115
That is not only a good observation, but dangerous ground to tread upon..
Newest Reality
Jan 2021
#5
Intelligence and morality don't always come in the same package. By the way, we may not know
Karadeniz
Jan 2021
#8
That whole "what's in his heart" is bullshit. Diversionary bullshit. What matters is what people DO.
RockRaven
Jan 2021
#17
Intent is overemphasized in America. This is probably due to puritanical heritage
unblock
Jan 2021
#36
Their amygdala hasn't evolved to the level of critical thinking; IMHO - Rush and Fox took
42bambi
Jan 2021
#42
i have found reasoning with the educated is very similar to to reasoning with the uneducated
Demonaut
Jan 2021
#51
The problem is that they probably are racists and don't want you to notice it.
Renew Deal
Jan 2021
#54
The absence of critical thinking is a major problem but they could start with the meaning of
malaise
Jan 2021
#79
AFAIC, the "educated" cultists are by far the worst ones to try and reason with and
mtnsnake
Jan 2021
#60
Racism is pretty insidious. I was raised white suburban in the sixties and seventies.
PatrickforO
Jan 2021
#68
some people like to identify as an underdog. That way, anything they do is justified.
demigoddess
Jan 2021
#69
They don't care about words ... or anyone or anything but themselves. nt
live love laugh
Jan 2021
#70
Orwell "animal farm" and "1984" both deal with this aspect of totalarianism
MadLinguist
Jan 2021
#104
He and his ilk live in Wonderland, where Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "The words mean
ancianita
Jan 2021
#107
I didn't see Republicans becoming philosophical social constructionists either.
aikoaiko
Jan 2021
#118
"Alternative Facts" built to support their white entitlement. White groups (wink) are patriotic.
Evolve Dammit
Jan 2021
#126
But WTF does patriotism mean when your cult leader is responsible for the deaths of
malaise
Jan 2021
#128
Many are too blind or brainwashed to know the distinction. Cult 45 is just that. Willing.
Evolve Dammit
Jan 2021
#137
It's the natural tendency of humans, but especially low info/not very intellctually gifted people
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2021
#129
Just like educated people can lack common sense, the same applies to education and racism.
appleannie1
Jan 2021
#130