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Tom Rinaldo

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29. "Even if we win 3 or 4 net seats, we are nowhere near 60..."
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 AM
Mar 2021

My point was that if we can net a two seat gain, so that Dems hold a 52 to 48 majority in the Senate (with VP Harris as backup) that might be a sufficient margin to enable Democrats to nuke the filibuster, even with Manchin and Sinma siding with Republicans. Doing so just takes a bare majority vote, after which we no longer would need 60 votes in order to prevail on Biden's agenda.

I don't disagree on your rundown regarding the 2022 races as matters stand now. Well done. I don't fully agree regarding IA and KS however. They are not likely pickups, true, but Iowa has been a purple state in the recent past, and Kansas has a stronger than usual block of relatively moderate/sane Republicans relative to most other Red States. So, when all is said and done, there are several non tortured paths open for Democrats to gain at least two Senate seats in 2022. Certainly is is plausible that we could do so.

Prior modern history regarding mid term elections does run against us as a whole when Democrats enter the midterms controlling most if not all of government. But politics as usual has undergone upheavals of major earthquake proportions in recent years. The past may no longer be prologue. I can not remember such significant high level defections from a major political party as the Never Trump movement, since George Wallace Democrats. And Democrats are dominating on the issues this year. If Biden can deliver, all bets may be off about typical mid term voter preferences.

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Can some group run ads in WV rainy Mar 2021 #1
He is never going to cave on it, nor will he cave on SCOTUS expansion, nor even lower federal court Celerity Mar 2021 #3
His constituents voted for Trump 2 to 1. Amishman Mar 2021 #28
Thank you! redstatebluegirl Mar 2021 #31
But but but wouldn't they at least want $15 an hour minimum wage? rainy Mar 2021 #35
So is bdamomma Mar 2021 #41
70% voted for Trump. WarGamer Mar 2021 #38
He's a champion of gridlock. Rhiagel Mar 2021 #2
There goes 2022 Fullduplexxx Mar 2021 #4
With the filibuster in place, Moscow Mitch can ensure Biden will fail. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2021 #5
Yup, Manchin D.I.N.O. NT mitch96 Mar 2021 #16
He's his own worst enemy HootieMcBoob Mar 2021 #6
I never thought they should end it bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #7
This is why HR1 and HR4 must pass. djacq Mar 2021 #8
And also why they won't FBaggins Mar 2021 #9
they're DOA. WarGamer Mar 2021 #39
With friends like this, who needs enemies! cannabis_flower Mar 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Bonn1997 Mar 2021 #11
Why is our argument so weak superpatriotman Mar 2021 #12
It isn't about the argument or changing minds Bettie Mar 2021 #13
I disagree superpatriotman Mar 2021 #21
If you have evidence that they are willing to Bettie Mar 2021 #26
Their hate for Democrats and our ideals. Repug voters want their Hotler Mar 2021 #27
I will give you the Republican definition of never; Chainfire Mar 2021 #14
Waiting for those who say Manchin's detractors know zip about politics to chime in any moment... Efilroft Sul Mar 2021 #15
The filibuster hurts only Senate Democrats -- and Mitch McConnell knows that. The numbers don't lie. Celerity Mar 2021 #17
I agree. Efilroft Sul Mar 2021 #19
There is another election in two years. If Democrats can add to their Senate majority then... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #18
'More Republican Senate seats are up in 2022 than Democratic ones.' Celerity Mar 2021 #22
So basically we are fucked. Autumn Mar 2021 #24
"Even if we win 3 or 4 net seats, we are nowhere near 60..." Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #29
There are at least 3 Dems completely against nuking the filibuster. Feinstein is the 3rd, Celerity Mar 2021 #30
Feinstein could step down before the 2022 election. There is pressure building for her to do so Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #32
Feinstein is also against filibuster repeal. WarGamer Mar 2021 #40
yes, I have been saying this (and listing some of the other possible ones against it) for a awhile Celerity Mar 2021 #46
Gosh, Joe...Jesus understands very well why you refuse to end the filibuster. Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2021 #20
You need to understated we can replace you Joe. There are other states where we can get other seats Autumn Mar 2021 #23
Primary Him! colsohlibgal Mar 2021 #25
Blasphemy!!!!! #3 in the "thou shalt nots" Grins Mar 2021 #33
America has endured timms139 Mar 2021 #34
Welcome to DU! bdamomma Mar 2021 #43
So Manchin is dedicated to getting us routed in 22 and 24- BarackTheVote Mar 2021 #36
What does he not understand that people are tired of a Congress that accomplishes little because of Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2021 #37
it's all about bdamomma Mar 2021 #44
We have to render him politically impotent by picking up WI & PA in 2022. LowerManhattanite Mar 2021 #42
NC with Jeff Jackson (who would have won in 2020) is more likely than WI (open seat as well) Celerity Mar 2021 #47
Who is pulling his strings? moondust Mar 2021 #45
So maintaining the filibuster is a really big deal to the average West Virginian? jalan48 Mar 2021 #48
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