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Celerity

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:54 AM Mar 2021

The Differences Between the Vaccines Matter [View all]

Yes, all of the COVID-19 vaccines are very good. No, they’re not all the same.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-vaccines-compared/618226/



Public-health officials are enthusiastic about the new, single-shot COVID-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson, despite its having a somewhat lower efficacy at preventing symptomatic illness than other available options. Although clinical-trial data peg that rate at 72 percent in the United States, compared with 94 and 95 percent for the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, many experts say we shouldn’t fixate on those numbers. Much more germane, they say, is the fact that the Johnson & Johnson shot, like the other two, is essentially perfect when it comes to preventing the gravest outcomes. “I’m super-pumped about this,” Virginia’s vaccine coordinator told The New York Times last weekend. “A hundred percent efficacy against deaths and hospitalizations? That’s all I need to hear.”

The same glowing message—that the COVID-19 vaccines are all equivalent, at least where it really counts—has been getting public-health officials and pundits super-pumped for weeks now. Its potential value for promoting vaccination couldn’t be more clear: We’ll all be better off, and this nightmare will be over sooner, if people know that the best vaccine of all is whichever one they can get the soonest. With that in mind, Vox has urged its readers to attend to “the most important vaccine statistic”—the fact that “there have been zero cases of hospitalization or death in clinical trials for all of these vaccines.” The physician and CNN medical analyst Leana Wen also made a point of noting that “all of the vaccines are essentially a hundred percent” in this regard. And half a dozen former members of President Joe Biden’s COVID-19 Advisory Board wrote in USA Today, “Varying ‘effectiveness’ rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death.”

There’s a problem here. It’s certainly true that all three of the FDA-authorized vaccines are very good—amazing, even—at protecting people’s health. No one should refrain from seeking vaccination on the theory that any might be second-rate. But it’s also true that the COVID-19 vaccines aren’t all the same: Some are more effective than others at preventing illness, for example; some cause fewer adverse reactions; some are more convenient; some were made using more familiar methods and technologies. As for the claim that the vaccines have proved perfectly and equally effective at preventing hospitalization and death? It’s just not right. These differences among the options could matter quite a bit, in different ways to different people, and they should not be minimized or covered over. Especially not now: Vaccine supplies in the U.S. will soon surpass demand, even as more contagious viral variants spread throughout the country. In the meantime, governors are revoking their rules on face masks, or taking other steps to loosen their restrictions. It’s tempting to believe that a simple, decisive message—even one that verges on hype—is what’s most needed at this crucial moment. But if the message could be wrong, that has consequences.

The idea that all of the vaccines are pretty much the same, in that they’re perfect at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations and death, got its legs on social media. The USA Today op-ed by the former members of the Biden team illustrated this by linking to a data table found on Twitter. Created by the infectious-disease doctor Monica Gandhi, it showed a variety of trial results for six different vaccines. One column was rendered in canary yellow—“Protection from hospitalizations/death”—and every cell read “100%.” A similar table, tweeted out a few days earlier by the dean of Brown University’s School of Public Health, Ashish Jha, conveyed the same idea through a grid of zeros—as in, zero people hospitalized, zero people dead. The prominent physician and researcher Eric Topol followed with his own clinical-trial data summary featuring a column of 100 percents. “That is impressive!” he wrote across the top. All told, their posts would be retweeted about 15,000 times. The data were indeed suggestive of an encouraging idea. Based on the numbers so far, we can expect the vaccines to provide extremely high levels of protection against the most dire outcomes. Still, we don’t know how high—and it’s clear they won’t uniformly cause hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 to disappear in vaccinated people.

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Mostly true... but also misleading FBaggins Mar 2021 #1
That's precisely what the article states Yeehah Mar 2021 #53
Wouldn't be the first time a title was contradicted by the body of the article FBaggins Mar 2021 #62
It was reported this morning that an Indian vaccine was... brush Mar 2021 #2
K&R. "The one that you can get the soonest" - works for me! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2021 #3
All three vaccines are available. There is no reason not to evaluate the differences Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #4
I agree. Think they are making it murky due to the logistical Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #35
That's all the data shows, so far. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #39
Ok my question was written in layman's terms and your answer Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #50
What the hell?! PJMcK Mar 2021 #5
Please read the whole article to fully grasp what is being said. Celerity Mar 2021 #6
You can edit your original post by removing some content like a paragraph, inserting an littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #14
here are more excerpts, I rarely post an OP that starts in the middle, I also highly recco subbing Celerity Mar 2021 #15
Thanks! I am curious about the last part of this sentence Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #37
last I saw from Fauci and others was that the data is not in if the vaccines completely stop Celerity Mar 2021 #38
Yes, have since found out that is true. A vaccinated person Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #49
The problem with that is determining which is the highest. Celerity Mar 2021 #51
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! So you and your Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #52
No, we have not been vaccinated at all. Our high immunity levels are all from the asymptomatic Celerity Mar 2021 #55
Thank you so much for explaining all that. It all makes sense. Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #58
For sure people can go get an upgraded version after they have had the first type. In fact, booster Celerity Mar 2021 #59
Good to know. You answered my question. Unfortunately here Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #60
thank you so much for the kind words Celerity Mar 2021 #61
While copyright rules prevent more than four paragraphs in one post.... Alex4Martinez Mar 2021 #67
here, if you missed it, is more Celerity Mar 2021 #69
Just saw this... Astrazeneca ... Blood clots Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #72
Nonsense. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #7
Pfizer is working quite better against the S. African and Brasilian variants over here than Moderna Celerity Mar 2021 #10
Actually, my entire school union is getting vaccinated Friday. No choice of vaccine, just GPV Mar 2021 #18
That would have been a tough choice for me. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #19
My preference was Pfizer too liberal_mama Mar 2021 #36
My spouse got Moderna - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #40
Not necessarily - according to the CDC adverse vaccine injury reports (VAERS) womanofthehills Mar 2021 #65
Kick dalton99a Mar 2021 #8
You're on the Titanic... you take the first lifeboat that you can IcyPeas Mar 2021 #9
That is not the point of the article. nt Celerity Mar 2021 #11
What is the point of the article?? honest.abe Mar 2021 #17
There are three lifeboats right now. You get to choose. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #21
Some places make appointments and don't tell you which vaccine you are going to get. LisaL Mar 2021 #26
They don't just grab you off the street and make an appointment Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #29
Not Possible In Illnois ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #33
Looks to me like, if you are in an eligible group, Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #34
Nobody Has Them ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #41
I went directly to Walgreens - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #42
BTW ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #43
Congratultions!!! Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #44
Thanks!! ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #45
You must be in the collar counties. Ace Rothstein Mar 2021 #46
We Are, Indeed! ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #47
I keep reading about these counties who are doing so well. Ace Rothstein Mar 2021 #48
Not necessarily- if you are very careful when you go out womanofthehills Mar 2021 #74
Can people get more than one of the vaccines ? JI7 Mar 2021 #12
That is an interesting question, here is some discussion on it Celerity Mar 2021 #13
What bothers me is that too many people are turning down appointments.. honest.abe Mar 2021 #16
No it is not going to slew down herd immunity. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #20
Actuallly not true.. at least at the location I got vaccinated. honest.abe Mar 2021 #22
I suspect that is specific to J&J Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #23
The mechanism to setup the appointments was available for over a week. honest.abe Mar 2021 #24
I am advocating for people to make an informed choice. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #30
There was no mention of the type of vaccine when I signed up. honest.abe Mar 2021 #32
"The vaccines were all 100% effective in stopping hospitalizations and death." Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2021 #25
Except, if you read the article, you will see that is not true. nt Celerity Mar 2021 #28
So last week was "fat people shouldn't bother with the vaccine" week BannonsLiver Mar 2021 #27
When I made my appointment Meowmee Mar 2021 #31
I always choice 60ish percent over 95ish in life 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2021 #54
Those 95% efficacy rates, btw, are not against the variants. Studies here in the EU are actually Celerity Mar 2021 #56
Would you agree with me?: J&J preferably, Moderna second, Pfizer last. Alex4Martinez Mar 2021 #68
I am not qualified to render an opinion as to which is best, all I can do is post the latest info Celerity Mar 2021 #70
Pfizer is a really good vaccine. LisaL Mar 2021 #73
I understand your concerns about the Moderna vaccine based on the bullwinkle428 Mar 2021 #57
They could actually be equal since madville Mar 2021 #63
I am still waiting for a valid reason to cut off T1 Diabetics from vaccination priority. WyattKansas Mar 2021 #64
In NY type 1 are eligible as well, as they should be. Meowmee Mar 2021 #66
Kickity! Alex4Martinez Mar 2021 #71
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