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Hortensis

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12. "As Christianity's hold, in particular, has weakened, ideological

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 09:43 AM

Mar 2021

intensity and fragmentation have risen.

American faith, it turns out, is as fervent as ever; it's just that what was once religious belief has now been channeled into political belief."

People who imagine religion only causes trouble are vastly mistaken. The many flaws and passions of human beings will always exist. Religion channels and contains them in adherents, and far, far more often for better than worse.

He's saying our nation needs Christians who dumped Jesus for Trump to return to the beliefs that taught them to be their brother's keeper. Not exactly a new or radical idea.

Btw, irreligious people are hardly immune from religious-level passions. Political believers have caused those rivers of blood to flow also. They just claim other justifications for their behaviors than a god's instruction is all.

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