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shrike3

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17. I sort of agree with him.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 11:37 AM
Mar 2021

With one in five Americans having no religion, you'd think our lives would be all about science, reason, etc. Hell no, I know an awful lot of non-religious people, and they are into some of the craziest shit I've ever heard. I think some people just need to believe in something and they cabbage onto whatever happens to grabs their fancy. I know devout Catholic ladies who pray the rosary every day but also watch Rachel Maddow and say, "Trust the science." I know stone atheists who say, "It's all a hoax." Go figure.

I also see a rise in nihilism, for lack of a better word. Nothing matters, it's all bullshit, etc. Belief in nothing. If you believe in nothing, why even believe in people? (My observations only.)

That said, what he recommends is impossible: America will continue its drift toward the secular. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. But surely there are ways to cultivate community that don't involve religion.

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Obama was the first president to support same-sex marriage. MrsCoffee Mar 2021 #1
yes, and they were using that example as a bad thing, a cave in to what he called 'wokeism' Celerity Mar 2021 #3
He was not always in favor of it. Caliman73 Mar 2021 #29
The less "religion", the better. MANative Mar 2021 #2
agreed jcgoldie Mar 2021 #32
Interesting. I watched more than half that interview, and secondwind Mar 2021 #4
Me, either. nt duhneece Mar 2021 #10
He was blathering about his Atlantic article, link below CurtEastPoint Mar 2021 #5
thanks for the link!, and yes, very similar (obviously, lol, it is the same person) Celerity Mar 2021 #7
DU thread on the Atlantic article here: hunter Mar 2021 #19
He did an article in the Atlantic dhol82 Mar 2021 #6
yes, thanks for the link, I am reading it now from another poster who gave it to me Celerity Mar 2021 #8
Obama supported same sex marriage before running for President JI7 Mar 2021 #9
he started opposing it when he ran for Senate in 2004 according to this article below Celerity Mar 2021 #11
"As Christianity's hold, in particular, has weakened, ideological Hortensis Mar 2021 #12
lolwut Act_of_Reparation Mar 2021 #13
Indeed, that was a head spinner for me. It goes against tens of thousands of years Celerity Mar 2021 #15
:) You can hold to that belief with religious-level dogmatism even Hortensis Mar 2021 #16
In "It Can't Happen Here," by Sinclair Lewis, a character says the next great battle will be between shrike3 Mar 2021 #18
Tolerance! Yes. I just mentioned that below, and then found this. Yes!!! Hortensis Mar 2021 #24
I find his ideas repugnant, bigoted, and his analysis shoddy, simple as that. It really pissed me Celerity Mar 2021 #21
profoundly disagree with this take Celerity Mar 2021 #14
"Suspension of disbelief" requires only the will, not a god, Celerity. nt Hortensis Mar 2021 #20
but a god or gods require it nt Celerity Mar 2021 #25
I sort of agree with him. shrike3 Mar 2021 #17
:) Oh, excellent. "some people just need to believe in something and Hortensis Mar 2021 #23
most religions, and certainly the 3 Abrahamic ones, are by definition, the epitome of intolerance Celerity Mar 2021 #26
True or not, they'd hardly be the ONLY epitomes of intolerance. Hortensis Mar 2021 #27
oh, do tell Celerity Mar 2021 #28
If it was necessary, what'd be the point? If not necessary, Hortensis Mar 2021 #33
Hell is actually a very old concept that predates Christianity probably by thousands of years. shrike3 Mar 2021 #31
All good suggestions. An emphasis on ethics, simply doing what is right, in small ways as you say. shrike3 Mar 2021 #30
Certainly. But we almost all want to be good, but without guidance Hortensis Mar 2021 #34
I watched and listened to that this morning and was irate dsc Mar 2021 #22
Um, I remember a guest in 2015/16 who was worse.... themaguffin Mar 2021 #35
I said non rethug (added it in close to the time I posted it) Celerity Mar 2021 #36
I caught some of this interview. I missed the swipe at LGBTQ but boy howdy... msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #37
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