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HiPointDem

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66. no idea what is meant by "an average income tax that is negative".
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:53 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

also, i don't consider, e.g., an income tax that has 4 brackets, the highest of which starts at $17K and taxes all income over that at the same rate, to be 'progressive,' for all that it may tax income under $3000 at 2% and income over $17K at 6%. it's basically a flat tax, & virginia isn't the only state that designs its income tax like that.

How Virginia State income tax rates are structured

If your income range is between $0 and $3,000, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 2%.

If your income range is between $3,001 and $5,000, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 3%.

If your income range is between $5,001 and $17,000, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 5%.

If your income range is $17,001 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 5.75%.


http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_va.html


state income taxes for the most part are designed to take a slice of workers' income right off the top while letting the upper classes off easy -- considering 1) the top rate is generally insignificant and 2) most state systems tax in reflection of the federal income tax payment, which has already exempted large chunks of upper-class income from taxation.

washington legislature put in an eitc for sales tax in 2008 but has yet to fund it. if the interest is progressivity, that would be a better option than subjecting workers to yet *another* tax, and a tax that wouldn't be avoidable, to boot.

Here's a listing of each state's highest income tax rate and how much income you'll have to make to pay that rate. Non-progressive states highlighted (and by non-progressive, i mean states that make no distinction between middle-class income around the median/under $100K and upper-class income).

Alabama: 5% on income over $3,000
1. Arizona: 4.54% on income over $150,000
Arkansas: 7% on income over $32,600
2. California:10.55% on income over $1 million
Colorado: flat 4.63% of federal taxable income
3. Connecticut: 6.5% on income over $500,000
District of Columbia: 8.5% on income over $40,000
Delaware: 6.95% on income over $60,000

Georgia: 6% on income over $7,000
4. Hawaii: 11% on income over $200,000
Idaho: 7.8% on income over $26,418
Illinois: flat 3% of federal AGI with modifications
Indiana: flat 3.4% of federal AGI with modifications
Iowa: 8.98% on income over $63,315
Kansas: 6.45% on income over $30,000
Kentucky: 6% on income over $75,000
Louisiana: 6% on income over $50,000
Maine: 8.5% on income over $20,150
5. Maryland: 6.25% on income over $1 millio
Massachusetts: flat 5.3% on all income
Michigan: flat 4.35% of federal AGI with modifications
Minnesota: 7.85% on income over $74,780
Mississippi: 5% on income over $10,000
Missouri: 6% on income over $9,000
Montana: 6.9% on income over $15,400
Nebraska: 6.84% on income over $27,000


6. New Hampshire: 5% on interest and dividend income. Wages are not taxed.
7. New Jersey: 8.97% on income over $500,000
New Mexico: 4.9% on income over $16,000
8. New York: 8.97% on income over $500,000
North Carolina: 7.75% on income over $60,000
9. North Dakota: 4.86% on income over $373,650
10. Ohio: 5.925% on income over $200,000
Oklahoma: 5.5% on income over $8,700
11. Oregon: 11% on income over $250,000
Pennsylvania: flat 3.07% on all income
12. Rhode Island: 9.9% on income over $373,650
South Carolina: 7% on income over $13,700

13. Tennessee: 6% on interest and dividend income. Wages are not taxed.

Utah: flat 5% on all income
14. Vermont: 8.95% on income over $373,650
Virginia: 5.75% on income over $17,000

West Virginia: 6.5% on income over $60,000
15. Wisconsin: 7.75% on income over $225,000

http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/highest-state-income-tax-rates.htm

There are only 15 states that have anything approaching a really 'progressive' income tax. And most states with income taxes combine them with sales taxes -- which is why state taxes are all regressive.

Dunno, but it's kind of stupid. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #1
WA has no state income tax. JimDandy Oct 2012 #2
That's the big one.... Wounded Bear Oct 2012 #4
With big out-of-state money. ErikJ Oct 2012 #14
Bill Gates Sr is pretty cool upi402 Oct 2012 #32
Everyone was afraid it would change marlakay Oct 2012 #87
NEXT time it comes up ErikJ Oct 2012 #88
Wow lower property taxes easy pass marlakay Oct 2012 #100
food isn't taxed with some exceptions (like at restaurants). HiPointDem Oct 2012 #8
You're correct-food for consumption at home is NOT taxed anymore JimDandy Oct 2012 #54
'anymore'? i don't remember it ever being taxed in wa. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #65
It was taxed by the legislature JimDandy Oct 2012 #85
that is one single recent attempt that affected candy bars & similar things. food was never taxed HiPointDem Oct 2012 #86
WA resident here HeiressofBickworth Oct 2012 #94
also wa resident (since birth). not saying you're wrong, but do you have a date? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #95
I'm not sure this information is exact HeiressofBickworth Oct 2012 #98
actually, i did a bit more research. Food consumed off-premises (e.g. at home = groceries) was HiPointDem Oct 2012 #102
Grocery store food is not taxed. n/t Suich Oct 2012 #9
Thanks for catching that. JimDandy Oct 2012 #55
You got it mick063 Oct 2012 #18
When did that happen? Was still 37.5 cents/ gal JimDandy Oct 2012 #61
and the alcohol shanti Oct 2012 #24
Really? JonLP24 Oct 2012 #41
No State Income Tax in Washington LeFleur1 Oct 2012 #45
Right. JimDandy Oct 2012 #59
Food is not taxed here. cilla4progress Oct 2012 #60
Thanks. Tax on some grocery foods has been removed JimDandy Oct 2012 #63
Same w/NH and they are running close to WA geckosfeet Oct 2012 #78
How states like South Dakota can tax food is beyond me. libinnyandia Oct 2012 #3
I knew the Texas sales tax was regressive but.. ananda Oct 2012 #5
Food isn't taxed in WA. n/t pnwmom Oct 2012 #52
I'll tell you why: states with income taxes aren't very progressive -- in fact, they can be HiPointDem Oct 2012 #6
no, the state taxes are somewhat progressive hfojvt Oct 2012 #10
Look at the OP. They're *not* progressive. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #11
Bill Gates, Sr., not Bill Gates, Jr. Raster Oct 2012 #29
yeah, so the popular mythology goes. you know him personally, do you? fwiw, bill jr also HiPointDem Oct 2012 #46
I actually have met the man and he's a decent person. nolabear Oct 2012 #92
you'll forgive me if i disagree, i'm sure. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #97
the OP is talking about all taxes, NOT just state INCOME taxes hfojvt Oct 2012 #36
you're right. however, 43 states have an income tax & 45 have a sales tax. for a lot of the states HiPointDem Oct 2012 #40
I looked at all 50 states plus DC hfojvt Oct 2012 #48
no idea what is meant by "an average income tax that is negative". HiPointDem Oct 2012 #66
a negative tax rate hfojvt Oct 2012 #103
if the average rate is negative, it means there's no net tax collected. so it didn't make sense HiPointDem Oct 2012 #104
The last time I was in Washington State, the "tourist tax" was pretty high Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #101
This is 180° wrong. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #21
poor people *can* avoid a great deal of sales tax. poor people with income *can't* avoid an income HiPointDem Oct 2012 #23
I thought the context would make what I'm saying apparent. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #37
and actually renters pay a higher rate since apartments dsc Oct 2012 #42
that's not what you said, though. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #44
Proaganda media works upi402 Oct 2012 #7
i think you just described my sister. barbtries Oct 2012 #26
Oh my god upi402 Oct 2012 #33
that's my baby girl barbtries Oct 2012 #34
Maybe an old fashioned system that needs updating? treestar Oct 2012 #12
run by bill gates and his minions, who want an income tax. just not on folks like bill gates, who HiPointDem Oct 2012 #13
Don't forget the 2.2 billion tax welfare 'er subsidy that Boeing got. Yes, this welfare check saves sad sally Oct 2012 #15
In Washington, fixing the problem would require a constitutional amendment. nt lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #38
I live here, and I have no fucking idea. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #16
But you're OK, you're a lumberjack. Raster Oct 2012 #30
No state income tax cmf Oct 2012 #17
most states that have an income tax also have a sales tax, so it's a pretty good bet we'd get HiPointDem Oct 2012 #47
We also have the highest minimum wage in the EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #19
WA is Orange County to San Diego CA, without the rest of SoCal to temper it. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #20
Those 47% who pay no federal income taxes PA Democrat Oct 2012 #22
Before you bag on WA too much, remember that voters there are set to possibly Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #25
Making me go broke while recognizing my equality xchrom Oct 2012 #27
Not being a Resident, I can't say. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #28
That would depend entirely on the cost of the wedding. pnwmom Oct 2012 #51
hell I just live here MFM008 Oct 2012 #31
Not sure where they are getting their information about Alaska. Arctic Dave Oct 2012 #35
Property and sales taxes are regressive. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #39
Considering most of the state doesn't have a sales tax, I don't see Arctic Dave Oct 2012 #43
The numbers may look bad from that perspective, but it works out pretty well bhikkhu Oct 2012 #49
Spokane #1 on Forbes List of worst places to get a job. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2012 #50
I think having the highest minimum wage does help to counteract the highest sales tax. pnwmom Oct 2012 #53
Where is this 'downtown Washington with the excellent public transport'? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #64
rent is high because the rich & upper classes have bid up the price of housing in the seattle market HiPointDem Oct 2012 #67
"Washington" != "Seattle" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #76
and all of washington doesn't have high rents. where i live rents aren't significantly higher than HiPointDem Oct 2012 #80
Its been ten years since I live there, but the Seattle area is what I am most familiar with bhikkhu Oct 2012 #71
Seattle is okay, but I wouldn't move there. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #77
We just went eighty-two days without rain. And when it does, it's a light drizzle. Norrin Radd Oct 2012 #105
I live in Seattle and it's still a decent place. Public transportation is getting even better. nolabear Oct 2012 #93
No.. PowerToThePeople Oct 2012 #56
The federal sales tax deduction only applies if you have large deductions elsewhere. former9thward Oct 2012 #68
So your billionaires and millionaires should live tax free in Wash?! ErikJ Oct 2012 #69
if they tax income PowerToThePeople Oct 2012 #73
Next time they need to drop sales and property tax in exchange for income tax ErikJ Oct 2012 #89
*You* are the answer to the OP's question. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #90
Can anyone? PowerToThePeople Oct 2012 #99
Well, we started out ok... jtuck004 Oct 2012 #57
... leftstreet Oct 2012 #58
Ask Boeing and Microsoft Generic Other Oct 2012 #62
Race to the bottom ErikJ Oct 2012 #70
They don't have an income tax. KamaAina Oct 2012 #72
Ironic because the income tax proposal was initiated by Bill Gates ErikJ Oct 2012 #75
The M$ mole managed to get them to cut the royalty tax by two-thirds KamaAina Oct 2012 #84
An initiative for an income tax on top earners got absolutely flattened at the polls eridani Oct 2012 #74
Rent is high on the entire West Coast oppressedproletarian Oct 2012 #79
I agree, it's regressive. I think the reason we keep voting down a state income tax is simple though Matariki Oct 2012 #81
Tennessee has no income tax, only a sales tax. NashvilleLefty Oct 2012 #82
Tennessee 8th worst. Poor pay 4 times more than top 1% ErikJ Oct 2012 #83
Do those calculations take into account NashvilleLefty Oct 2012 #91
I voted against the state income tax HeiressofBickworth Oct 2012 #96
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