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cab67

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Sun May 16, 2021, 05:31 PM May 2021

Something too many Israelis (and Americans) fail to realize... [View all]

Getting population statistics for Israel and the Occupied Territories is tricky, because it's not always clear who's being counted. Does the Jewish population listed for Israel include the West Bank settlements? That's one example.

But based on the best statistics I can find, there are currently about 6.6 million Jewish citizens in Israel. That includes the West Bank. They're not going anywhere.

There are about 1.8 million Arabs in the borders of Israel recognized by the UN (i.e. excluding the West Bank and Gaza), the majority of whom are Muslim Palestinians. They're not going anywhere.

That means that the Israeli government has jurisdiction over a population that is about 75% Jewish. This allows Israel to maintain its identity as a Jewish state.

There are a lot of people, in Israel and elsewhere (most especially the US), who want to see Israel annex the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel already claims to have annexed the Golan Heights; the Trump Administration made the mistake of recognizing this, something I hope Biden can correct.

In the West Bank and Gaza Strip, there are about 4.5 million Palestinian Arabs. They, too, aren't going anywhere.

If Israel annexes these territories, its Jewish population would drop to around 50 percent of the total.

It would then have a decision to make - to be a democracy, or to be a Jewish state. If only half of the population is Jewish, it can't be both.

At this point, I think both sides carry much of the blame for the current violence. It hurts me to say this, too - I've been to Israel a couple of times and have valued friends and colleagues there. Moreover, my wife and her family are Jewish, and some of her elder relatives survived the Holocaust - so they have strong opinions I cannot and will not challenge, no matter how I feel about the politics of the moment.

The Palestinian Authority has to take control of it militant factions. Otherwise, Israel will have to defend itself. I also think the Israelis should get rid of the right-wing nationalists who won't compromise on anything - otherwise, grievances on the part of Palestinians will remain to fester, giving extremism fertile ground to flourish.

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Good points. I've heard "the West Bank doesn't have anyone there anyhow" from numerous Repugs peppertree May 2021 #1
IMO, the Palestinians are without leaders. no_hypocrisy May 2021 #2
maybe so, but... cab67 May 2021 #4
Well said. Netayahu seems to have nine lives. Seems to me... brush May 2021 #6
Both are fighting demographics, as was explained above... Wounded Bear May 2021 #8
So the dilemna remains. Is the two-state solution completely out of reach? brush May 2021 #9
It's the only way to go. cab67 May 2021 #11
Do you think Israel has leaders? tonedevil May 2021 #23
Thanks. underpants May 2021 #3
Kick dalton99a May 2021 #5
"Israeli" is a nationality, not a religion FakeNoose May 2021 #7
I know these things. cab67 May 2021 #10
There's many Jewish atheists. Elessar Zappa May 2021 #12
There's a pretty clear definition of "Jew" in The Law of Return Klaralven May 2021 #19
Only Orthodox conversions are recognized. cab67 May 2021 #21
I thought that was pretty universally recognised in Israel muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #13
Your in-laws are Holocaust survivors. Bless them. But are they so strong-willed against Arabs? joetheman May 2021 #14
I've never discussed the subject with the Holocaust survivors in her family. cab67 May 2021 #18
Both Sides To Blame - No DanieRains May 2021 #15
If the Palestinians by some inexplicable circumstance suddenly acquired a capable army, with Gaugamela May 2021 #16
Reasonable, wise words. Duppers May 2021 #22
Yes Withywindle May 2021 #24
The Israeli government has to stop evicting Palestinians from their homes Martin Eden May 2021 #17
What is the reason why Israel needs so much more land? scipan May 2021 #20
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