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MineralMan

(146,374 posts)
1. See, the thing is...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:54 AM
Jun 2021

Things have to have majorities to pass in Congress. There's that small sticking point, and we don't always have one we can use.

So, how does the filibuster get dumped, and how do we pass bills in the Senate? Manchin is one of the Democrats who gives us 50 seats in the Senate. Sinema, too. Without them, McConnell would still be Majority Leader. How would that work out, do you think.


You're frustrated. We all are, but we can't change how the system works. Not without a 2/3 majority in both houses of Congress, and we're not even close to that.

We're all going to have to be patient and communicate with our lawmakers, of whichever party. They don't read DU, either, so you'll have to communicate with them in some other way.

See, the thing is... MineralMan Jun 2021 #1
+1000. Thank goodness the adults are back in office. Hortensis Jun 2021 #11
Good cartoon, but Trump should have a crown of thorns with MAGA on it-- Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #19
:) Take a look at those faces. They're what grabbed me. Hortensis Jun 2021 #25
"WE are the forces of evil for these types' Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #53
As you say, they're getting worse. Psychologists say many of our Hortensis Jun 2021 #55
I say the Democrats need to GOP on the GOP. Progressive Jones Jun 2021 #2
How do you propose to do that? wryter2000 Jun 2021 #17
Thank you. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #22
Thank you StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #45
I'll second that Amishman Jul 2021 #78
Interesting variation for DU. I'm pretty sure this isn't what Hortensis Jun 2021 #26
I love this sort of post...seriously...you suggest nothing that is particularly useful. Punch Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #37
Your post reads like you need a civics class. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #3
No. Do not need a civics class... apcalc Jun 2021 #9
Great response! hamsterjill Jun 2021 #13
It wasn't rude. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #59
Get TOUGH! Grow a BACKBONE! FIGHT BACK! StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #60
Right. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #65
Stronger rhetoric may be good StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #66
Agreed. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #67
I feel it's rude to say someone needs a lesson. hamsterjill Jun 2021 #63
It's not rude to state facts kcr Jul 2021 #77
Wow! This thread dates back a while. hamsterjill Jul 2021 #79
We can pressure Manchin but ultimately CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #23
It does appear to be all about money with Manchin. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #51
I think Manchin cares about CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #57
OK - so political survival, versus a bigger yacht. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #61
I don't think that is possible. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #62
This is how it works every single time. Republicans just have to run out the clock and they know it ck4829 Jun 2021 #4
Agree apcalc Jun 2021 #8
Easy to block. Hard to build. StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #12
Unfortunately, those things don't go together. bearsfootball516 Jun 2021 #5
Could have many years ago quakerboy Jun 2021 #16
LOL! StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #30
Except for being backward, right on quakerboy Jun 2021 #39
In 2005-6, Progressives fought like hell to keep the filibuster StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #41
I thought i responded to this.,.. guess it didnt post quakerboy Jun 2021 #42
Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority (60) from September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010 betsuni Jun 2021 #68
Um.. 51 senators could have removed the filibuster quakerboy Jun 2021 #69
Um, they couldn't tell the future. betsuni Jun 2021 #70
If a scorpion stings you because you were playing with it quakerboy Jun 2021 #72
"Play with it"? It isn't a game. betsuni Jun 2021 #73
Then our electeds shouldnt treat it like a game quakerboy Jul 2021 #74
Blame Democrats is a game. What's the point? betsuni Jul 2021 #75
The party lets it happen quakerboy Jul 2021 #80
When did we have large majorities? Seriously, when? Please answer. betsuni Jul 2021 #81
We didn't have the votes in the Obama administration...I suppose you forgot about Mary Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #38
We didnt have the will quakerboy Jun 2021 #40
Bull StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #43
59 quakerboy Jun 2021 #64
Dump filibuster. Dems don't have the votes. Now what LizBeth Jun 2021 #6
Yes, I know # of votes are an issue apcalc Jun 2021 #7
I'm frustrated, but I always get frustrated with politics. Politicub Jun 2021 #10
Dems trying to work with the fascists falls right inline with McTurtles plan. nt yaesu Jun 2021 #14
If Manchin is a lost cause wryter2000 Jun 2021 #15
But if Manchin is a lost cause, Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2021 #20
Jason Kander made a great point on The New Abnormal podcast. Lots of people want him to run for OnDoutside Jun 2021 #21
Absolutely agree. Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #29
Excellent response. apcalc Jun 2021 #32
Dump the filibuster but Manchin is a lost cause? TraceNC Jun 2021 #24
We could take a beating given all the GOP voter suppression laws. apcalc Jun 2021 #31
How are Democrats going to dump the filibuster? mcar Jun 2021 #27
We likely can't...just frustrated. apcalc Jun 2021 #28
Yeah, I am too mcar Jun 2021 #33
Agree apcalc Jun 2021 #35
You want specifics? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #44
... mcar Jun 2021 #46
Republicans look at politics as a fight to the death, an all out battle. Poiuyt Jun 2021 #34
Agree apcalc Jun 2021 #36
We're not going to beat the Republicans until we get just as vicious. Paladin Jun 2021 #47
Once we "get just as vicious" as Republicans, how will anyone be able to tell us apart from them? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #48
You must enjoy continuous losses a hell of a lot more than I do. Paladin Jun 2021 #50
Let's see StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #52
Most who admire vicious find their way to the huge, inflamed mobs Hortensis Jun 2021 #54
I'm amazed by how many people don't see the looming existential threat. Efilroft Sul Jun 2021 #56
So if Manchin is a lost cause, how do you dump the filibuster? brooklynite Jun 2021 #49
DO IT BECAUSE I SAYS SO!!!! CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #58
You ff bipartisanship which is what is needed most Raine Jun 2021 #71
Get it moving then. Nobody here is stopping you. Kaleva Jul 2021 #76
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