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kcr

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65. What is outdated

Mon Sep 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

Sep 2021

is thinking automation can only affect blue-collar/working-class jobs like checkout workers. What is outdated is assuming that the momentum behind automation in its modern form is the same as it's always been. As if the forces generating it, the technology and the corporations wielding it, haven't changed.

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No cashiers, please: Futuristic supermarket opens in Mideast [View all] discocrisco01 Sep 2021 OP

Sterile Champp Sep 2021 #1

Not really kcr Sep 2021 #2

Perhaps they meant 'sterile' as in 'no soul or humanity.' CurtEastPoint Sep 2021 #3

Ah. So used to thinking in terms of covid kcr Sep 2021 #4

Bingo! Champp Sep 2021 #5

In my defense kcr Sep 2021 #12

I approve! I'd much prefer a NEAT and CLEAN and WELL-STOCKED store... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #6

it was defensible when people could argue cashiers weren't actually losing jobs over this bigtree Sep 2021 #7

The good old days... before bar-codes and slow service with an attitude. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #8

I worked in grocery retail for 36 years bigtree Sep 2021 #9

And assembling cars with robotic arms... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #10

good for you, promoting edging vulnerable workers out of jobs bigtree Sep 2021 #13

I guess you never use ATMs either? Treefrog Sep 2021 #18

No need for ATM's take cash out at checkout. sarcasmo Sep 2021 #22

so we've eliminated banks then? bigtree Sep 2021 #23

Well, I hear what you're saying there. Treefrog Sep 2021 #37

The thing is, the rate at which this replacement is happening is rapidly increasing kcr Sep 2021 #68

Agreed kcr Sep 2021 #20

I like nostalgia, but I don't cling to the past. Especially when it comes to improved service... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #24

workers are 'nostalgia' bigtree Sep 2021 #27

No. Slow, error-prone, inefficient "service-with-an-attitude" is nostalgia. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #28

no, I understood, right from the start of your defense of this Dubai abomination bigtree Sep 2021 #29

... you forgot slow and inefficient. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #30

you forgot corporate profiteering bigtree Sep 2021 #32

All three of my former lines of work were rendered at least Hortensis Sep 2021 #35

well, that isn't the case at all bigtree Sep 2021 #41

Unfortunately, all you're getting is the negative side of this, Hortensis Sep 2021 #55

I understand your "perspective". Nostalgic and outdated. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #36

What is outdated kcr Sep 2021 #65

Ohhhh.... okayyyy. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #70

What does paranoia have to do with it? kcr Sep 2021 #72

No they can't. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #43

Except... This is not automation... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #33

Of course it's automation. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #34

this is how communities gentrify and die bigtree Sep 2021 #38

Times change. The future is already here. Adapt or get trampled... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #49

you just described profiteering bigtree Sep 2021 #53

No, I just described embracing the future and not clinging to horse-and-buggy days. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #54

utopian nonsense bigtree Sep 2021 #60

It's 2021. Not 1921. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #67

none of those equate to eliminating cashiers bigtree Sep 2021 #69

Every business needs to make profit. Deal with it. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #71

see: 'profiteering' bigtree Sep 2021 #74

Self-serve checkouts is not "profiteering" ... it's meeting a need. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #76

what nonsense bigtree Sep 2021 #79

Wrong again. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #81

just a load of naivete to think profits go to consumers, or 'retraining workers' What bs. bigtree Sep 2021 #82

Nobody is doing that. I'm just telling it like it is. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #83

misinformation on a public forum deserves response bigtree Sep 2021 #85

Oh, hello again! 🤣😂🤣 NurseJackie Sep 2021 #87

It is not meeting a need. marie999 Sep 2021 #102

Definitely faster. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #103

It's eliminating workers iemanja Sep 2021 #111

The same way that dial telephones eliminated switchboard operators. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #114

and the standard of living keeps dropping with them. iemanja Sep 2021 #115

ahhh, I see... You do not know what automation is... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #42

The level of care one spends trying to split hairs... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #46

Define... Irony... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #57

I'm not the one splitting hairs. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #64

I think it's the job of unions to ease the shock of transitions caused by new technology... Silent3 Sep 2021 #39

this is a fight for the communities which these big box stores profit from bigtree Sep 2021 #48

If you read my comment about what unions should do... Silent3 Sep 2021 #61

if my union presented that as their operating principle they'd be run out of town bigtree Sep 2021 #63

Spot on, NurseJackie Ptah Sep 2021 #14

I'm the same. I always choose the self-serve if available. Treefrog Sep 2021 #11

I take my own canvas totes to the grocery store... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #15

Exactly what I do! Treefrog Sep 2021 #17

Best part, I can bag at my own pace. Lancero Sep 2021 #47

I'm pretty fast. Faster than the employees usually. Treefrog Sep 2021 #50

Yes... the inconvenience is WAITING and SLOW SERVICE. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #75

I'm not all that speedy either... but unless there are FIVE OTHERS just like me... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #52

Like shopping in a giant hotel mini-bar Politicub Sep 2021 #16

Shoplifters will be chased by robots. Sneederbunk Sep 2021 #19

Just like in the movies... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #31

Universal basic income now. sarcasmo Sep 2021 #21

No thanks. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #25

Next up, they'll expect you to pump your own gas and place your own phone calls! brooklynite Sep 2021 #26

Lol. Treefrog Sep 2021 #40

And withdrawal your own cash from bank. Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #62

What If You Have Questions Or Make A Make A Mistake? Me. Sep 2021 #44

There are still people working in the store Blue_Adept Sep 2021 #56

Yes....But Can You Find Those People Me. Sep 2021 #66

Experiences will vary Blue_Adept Sep 2021 #90

I think that when you do self-checkout, you should get a 5% discount. marie999 Sep 2021 #45

At the very least. They're getting free labor from us leftstreet Sep 2021 #58

Anyone remember the book "A Jobless Society "? Boomerproud Sep 2021 #51

it's a fantastical appeal which supposes we can eliminate the middle class bigtree Sep 2021 #59

The sky is falling. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #77

if you don't care bigtree Sep 2021 #80

Well it's a concern, but not necessarily my primary concern. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #86

you've taken shots at workers, essentially my co workers bigtree Sep 2021 #89

No I haven't. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #92

you haven't seen my temper bigtree Sep 2021 #93

Nonsense. Nobody is being abused by me. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #96

Yes, you and others on both sides need to tone it down. marie999 Sep 2021 #104

What's to tone down? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #105

Putting people down because they don't agree with you. marie999 Sep 2021 #107

I'm not the one hurling personal insults and making veiled threats. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #108

I guess the definition of rude has changed since the way I was raised. marie999 Sep 2021 #109

Very likely so. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #110

I don't see Nurse Jackie hurling insults. Treefrog Sep 2021 #112

Insults generally indicate someone has lost the argument. Treefrog Sep 2021 #97

True. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #98

More of the same. Treefrog Sep 2021 #101

Big improvement... UAE doesn't have the concept of waiting in line JCMach1 Sep 2021 #73

And if the register doesn't deactivate the product's RFID tag Goodheart Sep 2021 #78

They still need people, though. haele Sep 2021 #84

There's a little sundry shop like that in the old terminal at Washington National. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #100

This is about eliminating workers iemanja Sep 2021 #88

Not a fan of featherbedding. But something will have to be done as more and more workers are Hoyt Sep 2021 #91

And if you don't own a mobile phone, you're screwed. OnlinePoker Sep 2021 #94

Stores make things inconvenient on purpose Sympthsical Sep 2021 #95

I know they tend to put the most commonly-purchased items in the REAR of the store... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #99

I think people need to tone it down a little. marie999 Sep 2021 #106

Wow, somehow you've brought Hillary into this? Treefrog Sep 2021 #113