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22. It wasn't a compromise with the moderates

Wed Sep 29, 2021, 02:52 PM

Sep 2021

It was a "compromise" entirely within members crafting the initial proposal that had even progressives balking at the price tag. An actual "compromise" usually involves enough people to actually pass the bill. That obviously never happened.

It also plays games a bit with the numbers. If all you do is artificially chop off the number of years for a program (knowing full well that you have no intention of actually ending the program after X years)... then you aren't really compromising. You're just making the numbers look better.

A simple thought problem. If they cut $2.5Trillion out of the original plan... there must be some really BIG priorities that had to be removed. What were they?

When a man makes demands he knows there is little chance of getting satisfied

Sorry... which side are you referring to here? It appears to apply to both.

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If You Think Progressives Won't Compromise w/ Centrists, You Have It Backwards. Liberals are begging [View all] Celerity Sep 2021 OP

You are right. The media loves to pronounce Joe Biden's career dead Walleye Sep 2021 #1

To hear people tell their bullshit, Progressives are the problem. Autumn Sep 2021 #2

Yes. And bullshit for the other market is that "moderates" (grabbag slander Hortensis Sep 2021 #10

I agree, conservative moderates are the problem. There are no moderate Republicans. Not a one. Autumn Sep 2021 #49

:) That first's not quite what I meant. All Democrats are slandered as Hortensis Sep 2021 #53

Progressives are slandered by both Republicans and moderates. Sinema took a shot at them today. Autumn Sep 2021 #54

Is it even correct to call Manchin and Sinema "centrists". TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #3

Ooooh you are really stirring the pot. People ain't gonna be happy. LT Barclay Sep 2021 #4

What are they gonna do? Cheerlead for Pharma Joe Manchin and Krysssstiieennnn? BradAllison Sep 2021 #23

Oy. Staaahp! This designation of Manchin and Sinema as Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #5

as if calling them (which you just did) 'our version of the lunatic fringe' is not divisive? Celerity Sep 2021 #8

Well, then. I guess that different usage of "centrist" makes it OK to be divisive of Democrats. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #52

you actually are trying to sell an angle that calling a centrist/moderate or moderate conservative Celerity Sep 2021 #55

I don't think those two are centrist. BlueLucy Sep 2021 #6

A bit disingenuous FBaggins Sep 2021 #7

Lol qazplm135 Sep 2021 #9

They're currently begging him to give them a number. FBaggins Sep 2021 #12

Everyone qazplm135 Sep 2021 #17

Continually? FBaggins Sep 2021 #24

a simple google search qazplm135 Sep 2021 #31

A simple google search that you won't include? FBaggins Sep 2021 #35

strange that qazplm135 Sep 2021 #37

Three And A Half, Sir, Is Already A Compromise Figure The Magistrate Sep 2021 #19

It wasn't a compromise with the moderates FBaggins Sep 2021 #22

lulzd Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #28

thank you qazplm135 Sep 2021 #32

Care to take a shot at proving your position? FBaggins Sep 2021 #38

Nonesense, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2021 #33

You appear to be dodging the part that would prove your position FBaggins Sep 2021 #36

The 'Debt Ceiling' Sir The Magistrate Sep 2021 #43

No doubt. And that might dodge the political issue if they can get away with it. FBaggins Sep 2021 #50

Lol. $1T and $1.5T weren't numbers that represented "negotiating" in the KPN Sep 2021 #27

How much are the Republicans offering? FBaggins Sep 2021 #29

Neither Sinema or Manchin will even list most of the exact programmes they want to cut Celerity Sep 2021 #13

Sorry for the lack of clarity. It's the progressives that are anxious now. FBaggins Sep 2021 #15

I realised that and changed my post before you replied. Celerity Sep 2021 #18

depends on which is more important to them qazplm135 Sep 2021 #40

It turns out that none of that was true FBaggins Sep 2021 #60

JFC, I wish people would stop calling those two Senators "centrist" or "moderate" themaguffin Sep 2021 #11

I was simply using the title of the article, which are labels (centrist, along with moderate and Celerity Sep 2021 #20

I know. My comment is in reference to the media. themaguffin Sep 2021 #34

Exactly. Two Senators. And they are using the same extremist Nixie Sep 2021 #26

They are certainly centrists compared to the trumpanzee goops wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #48

agreed Celerity Sep 2021 #56

We knew this week was going to be stressful Johnny2X2X Sep 2021 #14

Exactly, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2021 #16

Good points Sir. Celerity Sep 2021 #21

K&R bluewater Sep 2021 #25

"Progressive" and "liberal" are not synonyms. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2021 #30

they seem to often be used interchangeably in the US (and often only the US, as in the vast majority Celerity Sep 2021 #57

Only by people who are ignorant of nuance Spider Jerusalem Sep 2021 #58

whist I agree with you on this (as I already intimated) wholeheartedly Celerity Sep 2021 #59

If Manchin wants to wait until next year I feel like one of the things he is doing Tadpole Raisin Sep 2021 #39

not just that qazplm135 Sep 2021 #42

Exactly! +1000 bluewater Sep 2021 #46

The image is that Progressives are "extreme" soldierant Sep 2021 #41

Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2021 #44

+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #45

I Can't Even Say What I Think DanieRains Sep 2021 #47

Indeed! Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #51

K&Fuckin'R Carlitos Brigante Sep 2021 #61