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Hortensis

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40. How, tho? International industrial systems and everything they require

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:28 AM

Sep 2021

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just grew over the past 200 years as many millions of individual enterprises attaching themselves wherever and however they could plug in, loosely constrained by governments. No one has the power to control it, tho national and international institutions try.

On the plus side, it's really taken a lot to bring us to this point. But the hits continue -- all over the planet at once.

We're mercifully retired and have food set by. Is that the planning you mean?

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Workers who keep global supply chains moving are warning of a 'system collapse.' [View all] ancianita Sep 2021 OP

Gee, maybe our workers shouldn't have been fired, our factories shut down, dismantled, shipped NBachers Sep 2021 #1

But but but, the "job creators" make more money that way. Canoe52 Sep 2021 #4

Land of the free - free to be dumb. calimary Sep 2021 #59

Yeah, but look at the upside. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #30

You said it. orangecrush Sep 2021 #34

True but even then we would be facing potential problems as cstanleytech Sep 2021 #57

I'm seeing it happen already and the slow drip will turn into a gush and will take everyone by yaesu Sep 2021 #2

How, tho? International industrial systems and everything they require Hortensis Sep 2021 #40

I try to buy only what I need Marthe48 Sep 2021 #3

Workers are in the cost column KT2000 Sep 2021 #5

I'd like to be as confident as you are canetoad Sep 2021 #26

Your last sentence ... Delphinus Sep 2021 #36

Agree. Some of us have, for sure. There's a little self correction Hortensis Sep 2021 #41

Unfortuntely OldBaldy1701E Sep 2021 #32

My brother ordered a bathtub from a factory In Wisconsin Eyeball_Kid Sep 2021 #6

Crate and Barrel always had a fall furniture sale. This is the spooky3 Sep 2021 #8

Socks made in Wisconsin are also backordered, or delayed indefinitely MyMission Sep 2021 #11

Delays, delivery slides, containers and leighbythesea2 Sep 2021 #7

I saw that article yesterday about dozens of cargo ships off Tadpole Raisin Sep 2021 #9

I've been keeping an eye out for signs of collapse. I'll look for the article you reference. ancianita Sep 2021 #12

The ports at Long Beach and Los Angeles madville Sep 2021 #17

Want to see that effect in reality? A HERETIC I AM Sep 2021 #27

Interesting. Delphinus Sep 2021 #38

Yes, the empty container shortage is huge problem. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #29

Yeah, just-in-time supply chains work great, until they suddenly don't . . . hatrack Sep 2021 #39

just-in-time indeed seems to be a big part of the problem LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #66

That and off-loading/off-shoring/whatever lots of our manufacturing people and skills . . . hatrack Sep 2021 #69

but but but Thomas Friedman said the world was flat! LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #70

From what I read, a good part of the port backup is from increased demand Hortensis Sep 2021 #42

One little pandemic and the supply chain almost collapsed Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #10

Yes. Collapse doesn't have to happen all at once, but very slowly. We could be seeing that. ancianita Sep 2021 #13

Actually, to my view, millions of hits around the planet for two years Hortensis Sep 2021 #43

I get what you're saying Farmer-Rick Oct 2021 #85

Yes, just looking at how the wealth we create should be distributed, Hortensis Oct 2021 #86

Good points. Farmer-Rick Oct 2021 #87

Customers complain and are perplexed at all the unavailable items... lame54 Sep 2021 #14

Point taken. ancianita Sep 2021 #15

A couple of relevant books on collapse, copyrighted this year, because timing is key: ancianita Sep 2021 #16

I've got to visit two supermarkets to get the groceries I need (okay, want). Grokenstein Sep 2021 #18

Don't think so. Karma13612 Sep 2021 #23

I think Lucky and Safeway are owned by the same parent company. chia Sep 2021 #33

Stocking decisions can be as much about management as supply chain, so there's no one sure sign. ancianita Sep 2021 #49

I left trucking and went back to school ripcord Sep 2021 #19

I agree with most of this paragraph. However, 3Hotdogs Sep 2021 #21

The weight of the truck is the responsibilty of the driver not the shipper ripcord Sep 2021 #22

I can see it in the car dealership lots near me. roamer65 Sep 2021 #20

It's a great time to sell Karma13612 Sep 2021 #24

Im just gonna drive the wheels off my car. roamer65 Sep 2021 #25

My car got killed after a run in with a deer... Lancero Sep 2021 #35

Yikes. roamer65 Sep 2021 #45

Well, the engine is low mileage for the age as well. Lancero Sep 2021 #48

👍 roamer65 Sep 2021 #83

Haha!!!! Karma13612 Sep 2021 #84

The supply chain for cars has already collapsed. Car dealerships are basically empty here in CA. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #28

It reminds me of what I read about 1942-1945. roamer65 Sep 2021 #46

That is totally what it's like. I guess we are in war, in a way. SunSeeker Oct 2021 #88

"Labour is the ghost in the machine" because the rich like it that way Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #31

Amen. And it's been past time for all who get a paycheck to see how they're all seen. ancianita Sep 2021 #50

workers of the world-- unite! LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #68

Yay Just-In-Time (JIT), the MBAs told us the system was efficient and foolproof bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #37

The race to the bottom means JIT... GopherGal Sep 2021 #52

And we see what happens with the chip shortages as soon as a critical choke point breaks bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #78

I'm Right Here ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #72

Well, Professor, I disagree bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #76

Was Taught Very Differently Where I Went ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #82

system collapse has destroyed entire civilizations DBoon Sep 2021 #44

In the first book I posted above, research is presented to show which kinds of civilizational models ancianita Sep 2021 #64

A host of things are at work lonely bird Sep 2021 #47

been buying music equipment for my son. mopinko Sep 2021 #51

You're safe with the Big Distributor and logistics monopoly in the West, one would think. ancianita Sep 2021 #53

One Major Supplier... ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #74

our hard find ws fii0 mopinko Sep 2021 #77

A somewhat surprising adjunct to this story that is also having an effect on commerice. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #54

Wow, great point. I've counted MANY storage areas of shipping containers around Chicago + environs ancianita Sep 2021 #55

They believe their wealth will protect them as society crumbles Calculating Sep 2021 #58

Yes, they do, and there are a couple of other factors, as well. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #61

The point you raise in your first para is a good one, one that has an answer in two parts. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #60

Thanks very much. I intend to read up on what current macroeconomists are describing, ancianita Sep 2021 #63

I feel exactly the same. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #71

I Don't Think So ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #75

Okay, thanx for the info. It's just that what I've seen doesn't dissipate, but what do I know ancianita Sep 2021 #79

There's SOOOO Much Movement ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #81

This is not good. Caliman73 Sep 2021 #56

No, it's not good. ancianita Sep 2021 #62

Labor shortages at home too... are they connected? FirstLight Sep 2021 #65

I think so. But not in the way we think. You're right, there probably needs to be a thread on this ancianita Sep 2021 #80

what's particularly frustrating/maddeing is hearing wingnuts blame this on Biden LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #67

We need to manufacture here....look at out autos brought to a standstill with a chip shortage... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #73