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TigressDem

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83. Don't agree with everything, but maybe you ARE helping me understand it differently.

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:33 PM

Oct 2021

When you say we have Black and women owned businesses etc.. but still have white supremacy, I agree and think we still keep empowering those groups and projects that work and strip out the things that don't work in the system to the point where it is either just and fair or we have something to replace it that is.

Anarchy and chaos won't promote fairness and justice, it will just go back to rule of the jungle.

We got rid of redlining and we need to keep an eye on anything that comes up that tries to bring that back.

BALANCE not in seeing the wrong of white supremacy and injustice on one side and equality and justice on the other, but more like a FULL balanced approach to making EVERYTHING equal and just for all as was the core of the original concept, even if it only was meant for men...

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Tim Wise: Race-Talk is a Language White Folks Need to Learn [View all] StarfishSaver Sep 2021 OP

Interesting read. brer cat Sep 2021 #1

K&R MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Drum Sep 2021 #3

Obviously, given the depth of Wise's piece, that's NOT 'it, then" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #6

I'll rescind my comment, with the acknowledgment that I'm uninformed n/t Drum Sep 2021 #8

... StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #10

K&R Solly Mack Sep 2021 #4

I don't even know if that applies, now that I live in Europe DFW Sep 2021 #5

Interesting how it sounds if you make the same argument in the converse ... Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #7

Lol StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #9

Article talks about white defensiveness over race wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #11

Not being defensive, I just found it amusing that if you reverse the words Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #12

:) Yes. It takes skill, and either a genuinely or determinedly Hortensis Sep 2021 #14

Text inversion like this is a really good tool for exposing biases Amishman Sep 2021 #38

Text inversion is nonsense wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #40

Text inversion is not a good tool for exposing biases. But it IS a good tool for obfuscating them StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #43

As useful as... tonedevil Sep 2021 #46

This would be "interesting" only if we didn't live in a white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #16

So just call them the REICH WING and be clear. TigressDem Sep 2021 #13

There are plenty of white people in Democratic/leftist/progressive spaces who perpetrate the white- WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #17

White people telling Black people "if you want real change, do it the way I tell you to do it" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #19

Bull Shit. TigressDem Sep 2021 #30

You're way off base here. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #31

You are cherry picking certain bits. TigressDem Sep 2021 #32

Okay, I'll respond to all of it. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #39

Excellent! StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #42

. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #47

Let me make it "less meta". Defeating racism by using racism causes unnecessary conflict. TigressDem Oct 2021 #48

You really express... tonedevil Oct 2021 #60

I don't feel "burdened" TigressDem Oct 2021 #63

Your writing expresses... tonedevil Oct 2021 #68

Could be that feeling helpless is kind of the same as burdened. TigressDem Oct 2021 #81

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #72

Wow StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #78

Don't agree with everything, but maybe you ARE helping me understand it differently. TigressDem Oct 2021 #83

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #91

Colorblindness is vanishingly counterproductive wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #41

Whenever I hear anyone say, "I don't see race" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #44

Self-declared "colorblind" people wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #45

YOU all are calling me "color blind" I don't think that way. TigressDem Oct 2021 #84

You said you were going to go start your own conversation about this.. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #88

IF a person says, "I don't see color as affecting people" YES, I aggree. TigressDem Oct 2021 #49

You think we can't talk about any kind of white privilege unless we prove that StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #51

I did NOT say that. TigressDem Oct 2021 #54

That's exactly what you said. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #56

NO. I am not looking for "PROOF". I agree things are "systemic". TigressDem Oct 2021 #58

... StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #59

Very exhausting wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #62

Mentioning race isn't an issue. NEVER going BEYOND that and making it ALL about race is still racism TigressDem Oct 2021 #65

Give me clarity about how you got raped wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #67

My rapes taught me that any color of human can be cruel. TigressDem Oct 2021 #73

It is, indeed StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #69

Isn't it funny how sometimes people can actually agree on core issues, but argue a lot? TigressDem Oct 2021 #74

It's interesting how you keep trying to make this thread all about you StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #76

But aren't I the actual "target audience" of the article in the OP? TigressDem Oct 2021 #86

You are the target audience of the piece StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #87

IF I were giving orders on how it should happen before..... we wouldn't be talking. TigressDem Oct 2021 #64

It's not up to you to "take the conversation FARTHER" by telling everyone what you think StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #70

Biggest giveaway that this was a waste of time wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #71

WOW. TigressDem Oct 2021 #79

OK. TigressDem Oct 2021 #75

Yes, it's probably better for you to try to start a conversation on race that's more to your liking StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #77

Are you this dismissive with everyone you meet? TigressDem Oct 2021 #80

Not dismissive. Just honest StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #82

I didn't ask anyone to "build a bridge TO me" but traditionally people working together ... TigressDem Oct 2021 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #50

Where I was growing up, there was similar sentiment, but against Blacks. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #15

You're equating Black people being called "nigger" with white people being called "white people"? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #20

No ma'am, I'm saying that the sentiment and end result are the same. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #22

You think black people being called nigger and white people being called white people has the same r StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #23

I'd agree that the words/phrases don't carry the same weight, to be sure. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #24

They not only don't carry the same weight, they should never be equated in a discussion like this StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26

"It uses 'White people' as a slur" wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #33

Bingo StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #34

Thank you. That's the w**** state of mind Tim Wise was talking about wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #37

It is more like being called "boy" or saying "black people" do X because they are black. TigressDem Oct 2021 #52

You keep telling us what the conversation must consist of before you'll engage in it StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #53

NO. I get it that White Privilage exists. TigressDem Oct 2021 #55

You are the one introducing blame into this discussion StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #57

White and Black thinking is inherently biased and oppositional. TigressDem Oct 2021 #61

K&R. Posting this article really illustrates the need for an article like this. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #18

Ain't it true? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21

MA'AM. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #28

LOL StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #29

I see this so often on social media mcar Sep 2021 #25

It's only a problem when referring to "white people." StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #27

Yup, I'm white and have benefitted from Whiteness, Inc haele Sep 2021 #35

Benefiting from white supremacist system does not make one racist StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #36

Black Jeopardy on SNL always has a "White People" category gulliver Oct 2021 #66

Tim Wise is correct that white people need to learn to talk about race and talk about it better. SYFROYH Oct 2021 #89

I see your point StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #90