This new delay is not on the progressives or Biden at all, it is all on Manchin and Sinema.

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22. I was making a specific point, a specific question. I never said the bill as is was not worth a damn

That is you projecting a false frame on to me.

There are many great things about the BBB Act left. I simply agree with many in the House and Senate (and Biden for ages) that it's madness to pass the BIF without some sort of concrete framework agreement for the BBB from the two obstructionist Dem Senators, Manchin and Sinema, who as of the time I left for my office this morning (it is 10 39 am now) had still refused to commit fully to the framework.

Give up the BIF leverage for nothing and the BBB immediately is tossed into the Manchinema danger zone, perhaps for further slashing, or even a revival of Manchin's wish to put the whole thing off until 2022.

Also, this

This all or nothing attitude is killing out party.

Is utter dross, if you are trying to accuse me of harbouring such sentiment or positing such a template for any action.

I have shown in great detail exactly the massive amounts Biden and the rest, including the progressives, have already willingly compromised, FAR more (15.2 times more using Biden's proposals numbers, which the progs agreed to 4, 5 months ago, and 30.8 times more using their own original topline) than Sinema and Manchin.

It is ludicrous to try and pin an 'all or nothing' label on a group (the progs) who have willingly accepted massive cuts already. ($3.8 trillion in accepted cuts from Biden's number for both bills, and a jaw dropping $7.7 trillion in cut acceptance from their initial proposals).

Manchin and Sinema are the actual 'all or nothings'. All their massive cuts must prevail, and almost nothing need be given back by them in return.

They are the actual purity testers, it just is a purity test of 'slash as much as is humanly possible when it comes to things they deem being in need of a haircut', a feigned sacrifice to some imaginary god of 'moderatism'.

'Moderate' is just a spin job word for prioritising some programmes and policies over others, almost always via programmatic manoeuvres favoured by the core of corporate systemic control.



My original question was very clear.

How does stripping out giant swathes of Biden's agenda, entire programmes that were the core of his candidacy and that are extremely popular with the very voters (yes even in good old West Virginia) we need to win, in any way, shape, or form an efficacious move?