Are you considering leaving the US permanently

[Hortensis]

50. Same for staying here. Luxuriously secure American life even

on extremely limited fixed income. I'm a little surprised at those who feel innundated with MAGAs. Even in blood-red north GA we have liberal and decent conservative friends. If we don't like people we don't associate with them.

People are scared, though, and many lost perspective long ago. And of course the very subject draws some anxiously thinking of running, or wishing they could.

For us, our nation is a consideration for staying as well as leaving. I've always enjoyed the idea of moving overseas, but for positive reasons. Just needed a different husband. But taking all the blessings of birth here all my life and then abandoning it because it's in trouble is a different matter.

Which brings us to family, and some friends. At our age it's a lot more likely that we'd need them than they need us, but you never know. If they do, we'll be here.

That said, I've had fun a number of times wondering where we'd choose, and still do. But the game is less fun now that age means nations choosing for needed skills (like Canada) wouldn't have us and that those still allowing people to buy in are becoming prohibitively expensive for us. If I pretend those aren't a problem, the easy choice would be Canada, cool, beautiful, advanced prosperous nation, relatively well mannered, English language, and on the same continent as family.

There's the whole question of what we'd have to offer just as people, though, why any country would want us. Trading MAGAs for being an undesirable and resented immigrant doesn't strike me as an upgrade. This is only going to become more of a problem. And no to hiding in an expat colony.

There's also the issue that the kind of problems people are running from are also threatening to various degrees in most other nations. (Including hostlity toward immigrants.) Until and if it isn't, the U.S. is still a stronger safe place than most.

That said, in crisis it'd be Denmark because our Danish DIL would take us there (until they change the law to keep us out!), and of course it's a very nice European nation to live in (even if the did sun set at 3:39 today. ) I was fantasizing last year for fun about Chile, affordable, very cool and beautiful in the south; a pair of friends are there, and it was previously stable for a South American country. But potential problems are heating up, and it's far less stable and wealthy than the U.S.

Really, first choice for "fleeing" would be to a solidly blue area right here in the U.S., my original background is the PNW, but our kids are settled in the south. Too far. And also, nicely blue communities are all expensive for people on limited incomes. Unfortunately, all the affordable areas are red. I (don't) wonder why.