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Sympthsical

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77. "Covid victimes aren't innocent"

Sat Jan 22, 2022, 07:40 PM

Jan 2022

I simply want to respond and thank you for stating clearly a thought that often goes unsaid or is elided around to not make what's being said come out as awful as it is.

"People with HIV aren't innocent!"

Yeah, that rhetoric is familiar.

I think I'm good on this thread for a bit. Homework calls, and some of the responses are more damning on their own without my input.

But I do appreciate that stark clarification. It said more than I think you believe it does.

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COVID death celebration evokes memories of HIV death celebration [View all] Sympthsical Jan 2022 OP

K&R WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #1

Exactly. I never celebrate anyone's death. Period. MineralMan Jan 2022 #2

Preventative death always gets the same response to me Sympthsical Jan 2022 #3

Not wishing. Acknowledging Karma. paleotn Jan 2022 #70

I won't wish death but I do say with all sincerity: fuck these assholes. Initech Jan 2022 #87

Perfectly said. Thank you. LoisB Jan 2022 #4

People dying from their own stubborn ignorance . . . gratuitous Jan 2022 #5

As I said, many people got HIV from bad choices Sympthsical Jan 2022 #6

I'm sorry, but there is a difference. This is about the *intent* to do harm. Moebym Jan 2022 #33

This a major difference... orwell Jan 2022 #52

Exactly! IrishAfricanAmerican Jan 2022 #113

Still a big difference treestar Jan 2022 #94

I might not have paid close enough attention, but I don't remember the kind of denial, defiance and brewens Jan 2022 #8

In the early days of HIV there were some number of people who refused to take precautions dsc Jan 2022 #26

Were They Openly... ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #28

Oh yes they were dsc Jan 2022 #31

I'll Trust You, But... ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #37

But they were FreeState Jan 2022 #41

Hardly My Point ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #57

I'm not sure if your part of the LGBT community or if you were aground then FreeState Jan 2022 #80

It certainly wasn't blowtorching on the internet at that time dumbcat Jan 2022 #84

But that was them choosing to put themselves in danger. Not other people. Going to a bath house Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #43

How do you think HIV spread? Sympthsical Jan 2022 #54

So I must have as much sympathy for the cheater as I do for your boyfriend? Sorry, Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #67

There is a vast difference Sympthsical Jan 2022 #73

I'll second what dsc is saying Sympthsical Jan 2022 #53

I actually remembered some of that, but I didn't think it was widespread or lasted very long. I also brewens Jan 2022 #39

Exactly. There was no contingent denying that AIDS exists, treestar Jan 2022 #95

There was a largish group exactly like that cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #105

If any of them contracted AIDS treestar Jan 2022 #106

K and r. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #7

Retired now but as a new nurse I saw much the same from coworkers during the AIDS crisis Runningdawg Jan 2022 #9

IMO it's very immature behavior to celebrate someone's beaglelover Jan 2022 #10

That's a kind way to put it. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #11

Me either. beaglelover Jan 2022 #19

... BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #48

Come on, there's a limit treestar Jan 2022 #108

We are talking about people we don't know treestar Jan 2022 #107

Nope, totally 100% disagree, have never disagreed with anything more, ever. Jon King Jan 2022 #12

You've got your Other down pat Sympthsical Jan 2022 #13

Never liked cryptic responses. Jon King Jan 2022 #17

Don't expect a response. He's probably blocked you. Moebym Jan 2022 #25

I don't block people Sympthsical Jan 2022 #42

You've created an Other Sympthsical Jan 2022 #44

It's sad that the people accusing you of hiding behind the Block User jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #114

Oh, well said. Probably go over the heads of those who need to hear it. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #50

So In your opinion someone chooses their sexuality? beaglelover Jan 2022 #21

If you haven't noticed, choices was in quotes. Moebym Jan 2022 #24

The choice is in the behavior Sympthsical Jan 2022 #45

I agree Jon edhopper Jan 2022 #69

I agree with you Jon King Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #99

That is a gag inducing analogy Ferrets are Cool Jan 2022 #14

It is, a simply terrible analogy. Jon King Jan 2022 #18

I agree this is total broad brush bullshit. They keep trying to make this an issue and it's BS. nt live love laugh Jan 2022 #101

Agree 100% ripcord Jan 2022 #15

Fine. I'll Wear It ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #29

I'm not in the business of scolding Sympthsical Jan 2022 #59

If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated against CoVID, let them suffer the consequences. roamer65 Jan 2022 #16

Thank goodness, I was beginning to worry about things here! Jon King Jan 2022 #22

Yes, there was no vaccine for AIDS. Haggard Celine Jan 2022 #32

Exactamundo! paleotn Jan 2022 #81

I am having a difficult time feeling sorry for them. Moebym Jan 2022 #20

That is roughly where I'm at. GoCubsGo Jan 2022 #56

We are all afflicted with COVID fatigue. Moebym Jan 2022 #68

My pity for them isn't sympathy. GoCubsGo Jan 2022 #83

I think I'm just about where you are. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #85

These two things are not the same FelineOverlord Jan 2022 #23

Thank you for calling us to at least recognize the better angels of our nature... Hekate Jan 2022 #27

The analogy is far from "not exact". It's not even in the ballpark. Moebym Jan 2022 #63

Definitely agree. ismnotwasm Jan 2022 #96

What was it, 70 million people voted for Trump? That's a lot of Tomconroy Jan 2022 #30

Celebrating the deaths of gay people and not being upset when another anti-vaxxer dies Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #34

Only different because it's convenient to make them different Sympthsical Jan 2022 #46

You get upset every time you hear that another anti-vaxxer died? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #86

"I'm not in the business of scolding" you claim, up-thread. Paladin Jan 2022 #90

Yes. If not a business, maybe it's a hobby. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #91

yes! A better analogy might be someone who has AIDS treestar Jan 2022 #97

Bullshit. BradBo Jan 2022 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Jan 2022 #36

It is inhumane Icanthinkformyself Jan 2022 #38

Thank you, Sympthsical. femmedem Jan 2022 #40

Many of these people intended to do harm to others Moebym Jan 2022 #47

That's what gets me Sympthsical Jan 2022 #49

I have known people who've died from covid after contracting it from belligerent antivax no-maskers Orrex Jan 2022 #51

Remind me again just how many gay people refused to PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #55

How many refused to wear condoms? Sympthsical Jan 2022 #58

Apparently we are horrible people Moebym Jan 2022 #64

As a gay man myself, I watched a lot of friends die from AIDS. Not pretty. trickyguy Jan 2022 #60

Not celebrating DownriverDem Jan 2022 #61

One key difference. RandySF Jan 2022 #62

That is not the entire story Sympthsical Jan 2022 #74

How would you have felt if there had been an Crunchy Frog Jan 2022 #65

People did die doing irresponsible things Sympthsical Jan 2022 #75

False equivalence. paleotn Jan 2022 #66

Ground level only looks high Sympthsical Jan 2022 #76

I'm standing on ground level. You? paleotn Jan 2022 #79

Schadenfreude Klaralven Jan 2022 #71

No it doesn't. Corgigal Jan 2022 #72

"Covid victimes aren't innocent" Sympthsical Jan 2022 #77

False equivalence. paleotn Jan 2022 #82

Thank you. These are very different cases. live love laugh Jan 2022 #104

"I won't celebrate death and suffering." crickets Jan 2022 #78

Blaming all the spread on the unvaxxed probably isn't accurate. Tomconroy Jan 2022 #88

I don't celebrate anyone's death. Initech Jan 2022 #89

I will admit to feeling a sense of schadenfreude over ONE single victim of AIDS. bullwinkle428 Jan 2022 #92

It's not the same treestar Jan 2022 #93

Completely agree mahina Jan 2022 #98

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, . . ." wackadoo wabbit Jan 2022 #100

"Therefore, send not to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." crickets Jan 2022 #111

God knows how many others they selfishly and avoidably took with them. nt live love laugh Jan 2022 #102

Well then, you sure will hate me mercuryblues Jan 2022 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2022 #115

That's a bit to far. mercuryblues Jan 2022 #122

BTW, the H stands for Humble. Iggo Jan 2022 #109

Well my kittens think I'm pretty awesome Sympthsical Jan 2022 #110

So how many HIV+ patients do you know who use/used their social media to tell everyone Doremus Jan 2022 #112

Schadenfreude is a natural human emotion... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2022 #116

Not wanting Trump to die doesn't make someone a good person JI7 Jan 2022 #117

I think I read a case of someone that knew they were HIV+ and had sex with others JI7 Jan 2022 #118

How about when Rush Limbaugh died ? JI7 Jan 2022 #119

How he died is irrelevant, but I'm glad he's gone! LeftInTX Jan 2022 #121

People who will not vax with no valid medical exemption, will not wear masks etc. are murderers Meowmee Jan 2022 #120

Kick again. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #123