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meadowlander

(5,046 posts)
6. But why specifically their opinion if not to reduce any guilt about liking the song if you can
Tue Apr 19, 2022, 01:41 AM
Apr 2022

find at least one person claiming to be Roma who says it's OK?

Surely this is something that anyone can work out intellectually.

You'll never get an entire group of people to agree on what's offensive or not. There's always at least one person who claims "I'm not offended" as if that makes it completely fine for members outside that group to keep using it.

It doesn't become a racist slur if you can't find a single person of that heritage who isn't offended by it. It's a racist slur because it has been used historically to marginalise or disadvantage vulnerable people who don't identify themselves by that term. You don't need to poll the entire population to work that out.

And of course context matters. If members of that group want to use it to reclaim their power, then fine. The syllables of the word don't contain magically offensive powers. The offensiveness comes from who is using how and why.

Not meaning to pile on you, but it drives me bonkers whenever we try to have a serious conversation about why misogynistic terms used in a certain way shouldn't be enabled on this board and without fail there's always one woman commenting that it doesn't bother them and then that's held up by the perpetrators as an excuse to keep doing it. It isn't.

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From July 2021... PoliticAverse Apr 2022 #1
The Romani, colloquially known as the Roma, are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group, elleng Apr 2022 #2
Not Roma, but I do know a couple AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #3
Yup, knew one in college. She loved to play up the stereotypes to mess with people Amishman Apr 2022 #31
Why would some rando on DU claiming to have Roma heritage make you feel better about it? meadowlander Apr 2022 #4
It's a discussion board. I wanted their opinion. I never play those songs Coventina Apr 2022 #5
But why specifically their opinion if not to reduce any guilt about liking the song if you can meadowlander Apr 2022 #6
Exactly this +1 nt Tree-Hugger Apr 2022 #16
jesus eShirl Apr 2022 #17
Egypt, the gypsies word and more Tetrachloride Apr 2022 #8
The word "Gypsy" is an exonym. Meaning it's a name given to the Romani by outsiders. Solly Mack Apr 2022 #7
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Apr 2022 #15
Here is a way to deal with the issue. multigraincracker Apr 2022 #9
Are there black people on DU that want to comment on the nword? obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #10
Exactly +1 nt Tree-Hugger Apr 2022 #13
Bingo. yardwork Apr 2022 #18
They Aren't Responsible RobinA Apr 2022 #19
This has been a known slur for decades, and the US has the largest Roma population obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #23
It's Roma AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #32
I am so exhausted with it, Yardie obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #22
Big Fat Gypsy Weddings Mosby Apr 2022 #34
It's not as negative as that treestar Apr 2022 #21
Yes, it literally is obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #24
It's literally not treestar Apr 2022 #27
So "not as offensive as the N-word is the yardstick?" AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #30
It varies across countries; in the UK, most don't see it as a slur at all muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #11
Indeed, Gypsies are recognized as a racial group in the UK and given legal protection: Emrys Apr 2022 #14
"Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" Emrys Apr 2022 #12
It comes across as positive in Nicks' song treestar Apr 2022 #20
"There is something romantic about it - it is not entirely a negative" obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #25
well you are applying your opinion treestar Apr 2022 #26
"I don't find it offensive to use a known racial slur" AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #33
It's how it's used muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #29
I don't know, but I learned many years ago that the term is offensive to MineralMan Apr 2022 #28
My father was Roma ellie Apr 2022 #35
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