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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. Well then you haven't learned the first lesson of advancing policy
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 06:15 PM
Nov 2022

It doesn't have anything to do with what you are tired of and sick of.

It is not going to be achieved by winning 50% +1 of the vote (because obviously anything won by a narrow vote can be undone by a narrow vote).

The only way forward is to build a consensus with the 65% reasonable part of the country. Right before the pandemic I attended a conference in San Antonio with some professional colleagues which included a partner in the company that was an up line manager (we are all independent).

They are all Republicans and they know I am a Democrat but they also know I am better informed than they are. They also know that I don't patronize or disrespect them.

One of the partners (who at the time was starting to have dementia and now passed away) had sent a racist ant Obama email to everyone after he was elected and I called the other partner and he was taken off the email chain. In the elevator (now several years later) the remaining partner told me that he was 100% wrong about Obama, the ACA was good and he apologized for having said unkind things about him that Obama was a true gentleman even if he was unlikely to vote for him

A couple of hours later there were 8 of us and they started talking about the El Paso shooting. Everyone agreed something had to be done. These were all gun owners and several were very active hunters. They even had an annual hunt in Mexico (with their own guns, which should not be possible)

Anyway I was surprised that everyone agreed that there

1) too many guns
2) too many people who should not have guns have them get them
3): civilians should not be able to own military quality weapons
4) shouldn't have clips with excessive ammunition

Three of them had resigned from the NRA

Why didn't anything get done? Their opinion
Republicans refused any compromise and Democrats wanted to take their guns away.

In Arizona Democrats have embraced responsible gun ownership and we have 2 Democratic Senators, Democratic mayor's of Phoenix and Tucson, Democratic Governor, Secretary of State Attorney General with only 32% of the population Democratic.

You can engage in self gratification or work on generating a working consensus. I don't like guns, my wife is the widow of some one killed by gun violence. There are people on the other side that want some level of change. Unless we build a working consensus with them nothing will be passed.
Cry for them lefthandedskyhook Nov 2022 #1
Oh those beautiful faces mahina Nov 2022 #2
K&R. William769 Nov 2022 #3
Maybe, just maybe someday we won't have this BS. It will not be in my life time , but maybe someday republianmushroom Nov 2022 #4
Such a terrible tragic loss. Hope22 Nov 2022 #5
I had Delphinus Nov 2022 #6
The GOP and NRA have created wholesale carnage just so a few guys can enjoy their hobby. sop Nov 2022 #7
I think you have that slightly wrong HuskyOffset Nov 2022 #34
With 400 million guns now in people's hands the answer, sadly, ifs never. grantcart Nov 2022 #8
I refuse to accept that. AndyS Nov 2022 #10
40 years ago I was offered chairmanship of a statewide campaign grantcart Nov 2022 #16
I have been at this as long as you, at least 40 years. AndyS Nov 2022 #17
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Well then you haven't learned the first lesson of advancing policy grantcart Nov 2022 #26
Good on you for all that. Where did it get you? I ask because you tell me AndyS Nov 2022 #28
I agree. This was a handgun shooting, not an assault weapon. Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #24
SCOTUS made carrying guns a whole lot easier. NJ used to issue about 2,000 carry permits a year. Now Pepsidog Nov 2022 #9
It WILL happen and this court has set the precedent AndyS Nov 2022 #11
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Right on! Pepsidog Nov 2022 #18
Dylan wrote this in 1964. Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #25
It ended a war. That's what the song was about. Another day, AndyS Nov 2022 #29
Well, that's rather a speculative interpretation Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #31
Welcome to DU. AndyS Nov 2022 #32
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Seems the Christo-fascist philosophy is that God will only "protect" us through our AR-15s world wide wally Nov 2022 #12
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. Kennah Nov 2022 #13
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so handsome, so young Skittles Nov 2022 #27
Youngkin is not handling it well, either. NullTuples Nov 2022 #20
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So? I'll take every little bit I can get. AndyS Nov 2022 #22
🕯️🕯️🕯️ Such young bright faces : ( Stregnth to their families,... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #30
My community has a section of our park honoring children who have passed. The Jungle 1 Nov 2022 #33
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