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AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
9. They're back out on the streets within days.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:11 AM
Nov 2022

I’m speaking as someone who once worked with this community in a shelter environment. Back then, someone had to be in severe mental distress before anything could be done, i.e., a threat to themselves or to others. But, in order to make that determination, we had to have them “evaluated” by an outside “crisis care” team. The dark joke among us was, “If you’re in a crisis, don’t call crisis care” — because it truly was a joke. They would do a phone consult to determine if it was even worth their time to come out. I once spent about two hours ON HOLD trying to get help for a suicidal client. We would do everything short of calling the police to deal with clients who were in crisis, because cops made things a billion times worse.

There are almost no resources to help this segment of the homeless community. They get a 48- to 72-hour standard observation IF they are hospitalized, and I doubt very much if they get any kind of help or assessment while there. The suicidal person I was on the phone about was back at the shelter in a matter of days.

It is criminal, because a lot of homeless people have severe mental illness. If society could see fit to provide a fraction of the assistance they need, it would go a long way. Instead, what NYC is doing is typical — pick them up, put them down somewhere else, and forget about them until they come back. The hospitals will kick them out at first opportunity — guaranteed. They don’t want them, either.

Needless to say, all this shit had its start back in the ‘80s when dear Saint Ronnie decided deinsitutionalization — with no help — was the answer to severe mental illness.

Sorry for the long post, but even years later this issue gets me worked up.

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By coincidence, I just ran across this video so I thought that I would share: TexasTowelie Nov 2022 #1
I am not sure I have a problem with this...yet. Lunabell Nov 2022 #2
I dont have a problem with it, rather i support the mayor's efforts onetexan Nov 2022 #3
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #7
"The mentally incapacitated need help & be taken care of." WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #16
Nor will they get it on the streets. NYC Liberal Nov 2022 #29
Gosh guess we'll have to give them the help they do need. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #30
Correct but it may not be voluntarily. NYC Liberal Nov 2022 #31
Offered the right way, it often is. It just takes time, staffing and resources that cities would WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #32
Yes. By definition this applies to people who CAN'T reliably meet Hortensis Nov 2022 #27
Same here (reserving judgement). More people out of the weather,,,seems good. Prairie_Seagull Nov 2022 #33
Don't involuntary commitment laws apply here? luv2fly Nov 2022 #4
They'll never catch me! nt RocRizzo55 Nov 2022 #5
Ha! SouthernDem4ever Nov 2022 #12
After being "evaluated," then what? David__77 Nov 2022 #6
They're back out on the streets within days. AngryOldDem Nov 2022 #9
Thank you for sharing that. David__77 Nov 2022 #10
This is exactly why healthcare needs to be changed LittleGirl Nov 2022 #11
Actually, the bottom line is that society treats this community like flotsam and jetsam. AngryOldDem Nov 2022 #14
Exactly. I really appreciate your points LittleGirl Nov 2022 #18
Treating different mental illnesses is complex. SouthernDem4ever Nov 2022 #13
It's hard to treat things whose mechanisms are poorly known or unknown Model35mech Nov 2022 #22
Like you, I hope the Mayor isn't just going to fix the aesthetics but really get the care SouthernDem4ever Nov 2022 #34
Very good post bdamomma Nov 2022 #15
They're worse off than when they were picked up. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #35
Will the MAGAts be detained? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2022 #8
This is a horrifying, violent policy that is yet another way to give cops money and power, and will WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #17
+1 berniesandersmittens Nov 2022 #19
And when the mentally ill person refuses to go? brooklynite Nov 2022 #20
I didn't say take them berniesandersmittens Nov 2022 #21
And when the mentally ill person refuses the help? brooklynite Nov 2022 #24
Then leave them alone. If they're not a danger to the public, MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #36
"if they're not a danger to the public" brooklynite Nov 2022 #39
Ranting on sidewalks isn't a crime, it's free speech. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #40
It's not up to them. It's up to the admitting physician. Phoenix61 Nov 2022 #23
Really hope CA implements this policy eissa Nov 2022 #25
Better for America to just arrest all the bankers on Wall Street instead. ZonkerHarris Nov 2022 #26
I need to stop being surprised by how many people are fans of criminalizing poverty. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #28
It's a feature not a bug, and a big money maker for many police depts. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #37
"Homeless" doesn't equate to "mentally ill" brooklynite Nov 2022 #41
Why? DU's a somewhat conservative board socioeconomically in terms of some active posters. Celerity Nov 2022 #43
This is a tough issue but this seems a good, humanitarian way forward Stinky The Clown Nov 2022 #38
This is going to be hard for the city to get right. Renew Deal Nov 2022 #42
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