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Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
22. It's hard to treat things whose mechanisms are poorly known or unknown
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:00 AM
Nov 2022

It's quite remarkable that over 125 years of modern psychology the mechanisms of many, possibly most, psychological disorders remain mostly obscure. That's not a knock against all those who should be thanked for none-the-less working to better define the mechanisms.

And in the absence of real understanding narratives are developed and applied and enter the traffic of average human discourse... like mental disorders are a 'chemical imbalance'... and the 'cause is complex', and thus hard to understand 'mix of genetic, developmental and environmental factors'. But these running beliefs actually don't provide a mechanism to target.

So, it seems much of treatment is aimed at mitigation of a confusing array of overlapping symptoms that make diagnosis itself a system of elimination of speculations on identity of disorders, usually focused on things that cause harm and disruption of life to the afflicted and their (usually) close others. And so treatment looks to relieving apparent manifestations of dysfunction and distress of the afflicted and not underlying mechanisms of causation.

In this its important to appreciate that real, and yes, often misperceived, social dysfunction seriously impacts political consideration of how cities, counties, and states choose to address the epidemic of mental illness.

And policy decisions are based on the knowledge and stigmatized beliefs of politicians and members of the electorate. How limited the difference between harm to others actually is between mentally-well people and mentally-disordered persons is largely overlooked. A gap that generated punishing stigmatization. And I do have concern that stigmatized beliefs may be as significant to New York's policy-making as is psychology and neuroscience.

The mayor of New York seems concerned about the number of homeless, their lack of social capacity, and consequent incapacity for self-care, which are burdensome for New York, and every other place in the country. I would assume he is creating this policy in a social milieu that is at least as complex and limited in understanding as mental disorders are.

Clearly some of the social sequelae of mental disorders can be addressed by collecting the homeless off the street and placing them in settings with care. I will hope for the Mayor's policy that treatment will actually follow, rather than caging the afflicted, and later gifting them with a bus-ticket to another unsuspecting and unprepared city (google 'Greyhounding the mentally ill).

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By coincidence, I just ran across this video so I thought that I would share: TexasTowelie Nov 2022 #1
I am not sure I have a problem with this...yet. Lunabell Nov 2022 #2
I dont have a problem with it, rather i support the mayor's efforts onetexan Nov 2022 #3
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #7
"The mentally incapacitated need help & be taken care of." WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #16
Nor will they get it on the streets. NYC Liberal Nov 2022 #29
Gosh guess we'll have to give them the help they do need. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #30
Correct but it may not be voluntarily. NYC Liberal Nov 2022 #31
Offered the right way, it often is. It just takes time, staffing and resources that cities would WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #32
Yes. By definition this applies to people who CAN'T reliably meet Hortensis Nov 2022 #27
Same here (reserving judgement). More people out of the weather,,,seems good. Prairie_Seagull Nov 2022 #33
Don't involuntary commitment laws apply here? luv2fly Nov 2022 #4
They'll never catch me! nt RocRizzo55 Nov 2022 #5
Ha! SouthernDem4ever Nov 2022 #12
After being "evaluated," then what? David__77 Nov 2022 #6
They're back out on the streets within days. AngryOldDem Nov 2022 #9
Thank you for sharing that. David__77 Nov 2022 #10
This is exactly why healthcare needs to be changed LittleGirl Nov 2022 #11
Actually, the bottom line is that society treats this community like flotsam and jetsam. AngryOldDem Nov 2022 #14
Exactly. I really appreciate your points LittleGirl Nov 2022 #18
Treating different mental illnesses is complex. SouthernDem4ever Nov 2022 #13
It's hard to treat things whose mechanisms are poorly known or unknown Model35mech Nov 2022 #22
Like you, I hope the Mayor isn't just going to fix the aesthetics but really get the care SouthernDem4ever Nov 2022 #34
Very good post bdamomma Nov 2022 #15
They're worse off than when they were picked up. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #35
Will the MAGAts be detained? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2022 #8
This is a horrifying, violent policy that is yet another way to give cops money and power, and will WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #17
+1 berniesandersmittens Nov 2022 #19
And when the mentally ill person refuses to go? brooklynite Nov 2022 #20
I didn't say take them berniesandersmittens Nov 2022 #21
And when the mentally ill person refuses the help? brooklynite Nov 2022 #24
Then leave them alone. If they're not a danger to the public, MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #36
"if they're not a danger to the public" brooklynite Nov 2022 #39
Ranting on sidewalks isn't a crime, it's free speech. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #40
It's not up to them. It's up to the admitting physician. Phoenix61 Nov 2022 #23
Really hope CA implements this policy eissa Nov 2022 #25
Better for America to just arrest all the bankers on Wall Street instead. ZonkerHarris Nov 2022 #26
I need to stop being surprised by how many people are fans of criminalizing poverty. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #28
It's a feature not a bug, and a big money maker for many police depts. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #37
"Homeless" doesn't equate to "mentally ill" brooklynite Nov 2022 #41
Why? DU's a somewhat conservative board socioeconomically in terms of some active posters. Celerity Nov 2022 #43
This is a tough issue but this seems a good, humanitarian way forward Stinky The Clown Nov 2022 #38
This is going to be hard for the city to get right. Renew Deal Nov 2022 #42
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